lol was not excepting this to blow up lol lot of interesting opinion on the matter thanks for relying every one :]
you see, we can only get 9X only after R-74M2 and 120C only after K-77ME
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Not that i provided sources for my statement but just wondering where you got yours from. I’ll see if i can find the thread they discussed the R77-1 much better theoretical perfomance.
Haven’t been reading up that much it seems.
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be careful what you’re ask for you might don’t want same type of missile of other nation
yeah, i’m talking about 9X ASRAAM IRIS-T python 4
That’s… The point?
If 9M-9 or any 9R are implemented then we’d be far past the point of the R-73M. Pushing the 9X and IRIS-T would necessitate the 74M.
then it ASRAAM block 6
You’re joking, right?
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I’d like to point out Russia has been given, this update, an aircraft which has
- the best radar at toptier (that scan rate is absurd btw)
- some of the best performance at toptier, including impossibly good TVC performance and intakes that appear to function off of magic, allowing literal backwards flight
- 12 BVR missiles, which while not the best in the game are very much competitive.
- 2 WVR missiles, which while not perfect are very much competitive
and the intention here is what, to give them WVR missiles which are also nigh on unflareable while you’re at it?
9X shouldn’t be added. ASRAAM shouldn’t be added. IRIS-T shouldnt be added, and the russians will live just fine with their R-73s for a while. I don’t know how this is even a debate.
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what? i just point out the equivalent of other nation if Russian need it why isn’t nation also can’t have it as well?
None of those missiles are even remotely equivalent to anything Russia can offer. The problem being after the collapse of the USSR technological development with Russian rocketry hugely stagnated.
They have no real “equivalent” to AIM-120C, 9X, IRIS, etc etc etc.
They have no comparable weapons to more advanced missiles (e.g 9X bl2., 120D, METEOR, ASRAAM bl.6)
As to how gaijin will (if they even choose to) implement these weapons? beyond me, but once one country falls behind balancing becomes hellish to achieve.
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I found the post i was reffering to (I agree with most of its points as the airframe is holding its missile back, so i think the R77-1 is probably going to be fine, but tbf i havent faced it yet) MICA-EM missile should get increased range in the face of 12x R-77-1 - #29 by MythicPi
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They aren’t
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They’re the most advanced variants in mass production, but not the most advanced variants by technicality.
Oh no, not an incoming list!
Where was this with the F-15E? Historical accuracy my ass.
Welcome to the world of electronic scanned arrays… Probably should have made something competitive in '97. I know slumming it with MSAs feels like trash, but don’t worry, maybe you can wait for AESA just as America had to sit past the generational gap in radar technology for a little over a decade.
If it makes you feely any better, you can have the AN/APG-68v9 that came out 8 years later.
Damn, welcome to the world of Subject To Change. Almost like advanced systems are advanced and quite hard to implement.
One again, sorry that you happen to enjoy one of the many countries who refused to incorporate TVC.
Competitive to… 12 better missiles? What kind of argument is that?
You’re joking, right?
Such as the AIM-9M-9…? Are you lost in this topic?
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The ASRAAM block 6 is nowhere near equivalent to the R-74M.
Hell, it predated the original ASRAAM by close to a decade, let alone the Block 6.
You either need to be delusional or unequivocally ignorant to think they’re equals.
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R-74M has been in mass production for a little over a decade, R-77-1 is indeed in mass production with 77M very recently hitting limited production.
Wow i’m sorry for not talking about every single aircraft ever added on the forum
That’s brilliant but I wasn’t talking about IRL performance, but instead balance.
Apology accepted.
What other aircraft has 12(+2) missiles exactly? Not quite kept up to date considering it’s zero.
If you’d like to explain how the R-73 is unuseable in the face of other threats be my guest, but tone down the passive aggressiveness while you’re at it ;)
9M-9 isn’t nigh on unflareable, it’s a 9M with improved front aspect flare resistance.
Keyword: improved. It won’t be much harder than flaring a rear aspect 9M (not all too difficult).
Also quick footnote, you’re very fast to assume i play america lol
R-74M I concede
Never said R-77-1 wasn’t in mass production
77M is limited production, not mass production as you literally just said.
Talking Balance? In that case we’d have AESA F-15Cs and F-15Es, seeing as this is their equal.
Do you honestly think every single update will add 2 perfectly symmetrical and well-rounded aircraft with no upsides over each other?
Flare resistance miles behind the 9M, Magic (*if they buff it to how it should be, seeing as the argument for leaving it as a gatewidth irccm is that the R-73 wouldn’t keep up), and would match the likes of the Mica-IR and later Pythons.
I’m good, thank you though.
Ah, misread.
10 better BVRAAMS > 12 worse BVRAAMS.
I never said it was… and that’s exactly what the R-74M is??
I’m not? I never once said anything about you playing America.