38MT is alleged to be a IIR Scene Matching weapon as well what do you mean? Literally like AASM Hammer.
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Still the AGM154C does not have lock on before launch, its guided gps most of the way and IR is turned on at the end to confirm and make final changes. It’s not like the KH38MT. But I guess we could launch the JSOW on a certian area and let it lock on tanks right before. Would do great against slow MBTs but light vehicles will be hard to hit.
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these lock after launch are not modeled, kh38ml and mt can do it also but in game cant
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True which is why I think the AGM154c will not be added. Gaijin prefers missiles where you have a visual lock.
also the other agm84 is also ir guided with gps
all 3 of them are ir / gps guided
Sure, but a 30mm gunpod is far less balance tilting than a 70km supersonic IIR missile with a GPHE warhead, with a massively overperforming seeker (based on brochure data). The fact that it theoretically wouldn’t be able to be a valid “suggestion” if done so by players is practically the crux of the issue, considering this lack of evidence of carriage, or non-conforming aircraft configurations.
It also covers practically all Soviet imaging seekers as they are supposed to be Correlation type seekers, this was even acknowledged in the MiG-27M’s dev blog
“Unlike the seeker of the Maverick missiles, the Kh-29T missile and the KAB-500kr guided bomb are equipped with a TV-correlation seeker, the main feature of which is the difference in the visual image of the captured area and the rest of the background. This means that such seeker will not be able to lock on single ground targets such as a tank, but they will be able to capture any point on the land surface. Thus, the player will be able to strike at the intended locations of the target without visual detection (tanks in the bushes, or at the capture point, covered by an obstacle). However, if the enemy’s tank changes its position, then the drop will be done on an empty spot.”
And Correlation type seekers being conferred to the Maverick (and other US EO seekers) is also a Gaming convention as per the following report;
Early US Designed Electro Optical seekers should not be able to lock onto the ground.
"Here is Developers answer
Seekers like these can track optically contrast objects. As it is not possible to implement true contrast edge tracking in the game we allow seekers to lock on any point on the ground. So any point on the ground is considered contrast object.
Therefore, this issue is considered resolved"
It’s not one of the brochure pages mentions required contrast of 16 grey levels to maintain a track, if it was a correlation seeker it would be able to attack a “0 contrast target” by using the scene around it.
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That I found out may not necessarily mean it’s the real deal, but rather some placeholder mockup seeker made by the same company that makes the mockup missile body. The real seeker may not even look like the one in the model. This is because they did this very thing with at least one Kh-59 model they made, which had a fake seeker, which may look realistic otherwise. At least it was mentioned on the site, that this seeker was made by them for display. More info was in the Kh-38MT thread.
Kh-59 mockup seeker:
Though, I definitely don’t question Russia’s ability to make at least one IIR seeker for it. Personally it’s a probable weapon to exist, but given it has never really been seen anywhere outside of this display, it’s inclusion in-game is questionable.
But without any confirmation if its seeker would actually be good enough to engage smaller targets like tanks
point still stands, none of the agm84 will be good. The slam is launched first with GPS, then the ir seeker turns on at the end for the operator to confirm. We don’t have ir lock on before launch for all the agm84. And like you said, Gaijin doesn’t have lock on after launch modeled.
You mean exactly like AJ.168? An anti ship missile? Which autonomously tracks tanks in game?
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Yes
its launched in gps first if its the ir seeker is out of range lock
So everyone benefits from it? Frankly I’d be upset to see all our (UK) prototype and adapted weapons removed from game for these reasons.
Either you want them all removed or you’re being bad faith and only want 38MT removed.
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The IR seeker is always off on the rails. Doesn’t matter how far away the target is.
wel if thats the case then i can say american cas got nothing to add
Only the AGM-169. It can do everything the KH-38MT can do. Just was cancelled but still can be added to Gaijin with sources
Is there brochures for it? Want to see it tbh
It’s this one, it’s practically only useful as an anti-ship missile.
Yeah sorry i didnt know about the AJ.168 mounted in game on one singular plane in one tree. But yes i think removing weapons for which there is 0 evidence of them ever being used or how they actually function is a good move for a game that describes itself as “the most comprehensive free-to-play, cross-platform, MMO military game”.