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Well the new and updated version of the BR changes are out, and sadly Gaijin didn’t really listen to the feedback we gave them. Some points were (thankfully) adressed, like the A-10C, the F-8U and the Pantsir going up, but not the underling issue of the whole BR compression at large.

At least they tried to decompress (ignore the F3H-2).
Still no F-104s, or the reversal of the Sabre and MiG-15 changes.
Subsonics still getting shit on by supersonics.
Early jets still shit on by Sabres and MiGs.

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Anyway, the issue we are talking about is this green wall:

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This is NOT decompression, this is compression in its finest form.

These changes negate all the half-assed decompression we had a few months back, when top tier air was moved to 13.7.

14.0 should have been the new highest BR, but nooooooooooo, compression time.
Those are, next to the Sabre and MiG BR changes earlier this year, the worst changes to air BR this year.

And I want to thank everyone on this forum for these changes, you brought it upon yourself.
Always crying about “Bohoo, my aircraft/tank/whatever must go DOWN, it must go DOWN and not everything else up, but mine must go DOWN”. Never do I see posts about decompression, always down, down, down in BR.

This is the shit you get when you cry. And everyone else has to live with it.
Are you happy?

P.S.
Why is the Kugelblitz still 7.0?
Insanity

Edit: Thank you all for reading, I will ask this post to be locked since a certain someone thought it would be funny to derail this post. They do not understand that I was asking for decompression, and are now throwing a fit in the replies because they have been called out.
No normal discussion is possible with them in it. Sad to see another post go.

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The Mig-21bis’s were fine at 11.3 if they weren’t facing f-14s, which are thankfully going up.

These BR changes are just meh overall. Some good, some bad, but so much was just not addressed.

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There’s not as much compression left.
Decompression takes time, we’ve already got 3 levels of decompression this year, 5 total since 2022/2023.

There really isn’t compression listed in your image.
F-5C goes from 10.3 to 10.7 which is correct.
Mig-21Bis stays at 11.0.
EJ stays at 11.0.
F-4C stays at 10.3.
F-16s going from 12.0 to 12.7.

Of course my post is addressing their pre-decompression BRs as all posts should.
All of this leaves room for the 9.3 supersonics like Mig-19 and F-100 to move to 9.7 in due time.

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If moving vehicles up [within the existing BR range] isn’t decompression, moving them down isn’t compression.
13.7 is still 13.7.
It’s not going to 13.3 [compression] or 14.0 [my ideal, and decompression]; And in-fact there’s decompression happening for ground vehicles.

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Yeah, 95% of these changes simply werent needed.

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where do you see these br changes?

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Gaijin’s idea of decompression is relocating the compression.

Also the Kugelblitz at 7.0 is such a joke, still has a nerfed belt on top, like somehow it’s .3 away from a Shilka?

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This is compression.
The 9.3 supersonics cannot move up if the 10.xs dont move up and they wont move up if the 11.x don’t move up and so forth.
They should have increased the BR of the other planes instead of lowering these ones.
Top BR should have been increased to 14.0 at the very least.

And it doesn’t matter what BR they had at the very start, if you argue like that everything got compressed to hell and back. Weren’t the 104s at like 10.0 before the A-10 came around?

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/responding-to-your-battle-rating-feedback-final-changes-for-october-2024/167762/3
They updated the BR changes “according to feedback” and released them quietly in a locked post so they don’t have to listen to how stupid some of these changes are anymore. (Not like they truly listen anyways)

I know, right.
We all know that Germany made so many Wunderwaffen in WW2, they are superior to Korea or even Vietnam era stuff /s

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The 10.xs already moved up.
The reason why Mig-19 couldn’t move up is because of A-10A and Sea Harrier, neither of which are being brought down.
F-104s were 9.7 prior to A-10.
Mig-19 and F-100D can move up at any time.
F-104A/C cannot do anything other than 3rd party targets or go after bombers, so their use at 9.3 is already eh at best.
Mig-19s and F-100Ds can dogfight afterburning Mig-17s and win semi-consistently.

Supersonic =/= automatically better; you have to take into account ability in both team-work as well as ability when caught alone.
Cause while air RB isn’t 1v1s everywhere, supersonics are the most likely to get themselves into those situations due to their speed, and if they can’t maneuver then they can’t help their team in the PVP setting.
It’s why the meme of “ground attacking F-104As” is so real, cause that’s the best use of it for helping the team it’s on.

Turns out a bomber interceptor isn’t the greatest PVP vehicle. Best comparison is probably the P-47M or Fw-190. He-162 also is an okay comparison.
Ayit is better than F-104 for the BR in the role of PVP, and one is chronically subsonic.

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To start: the Mig-19s and f-104s should go from 9.3 to 9.7. Now that gaijin decompressed 10.X+, they should go up. There is currently no reason for them to be that low. I’d also like to remind you that them being downtiered has ruined early jets by moving the Mig-15s and Sabres down, which is compression.

Yes, but when many planes an aircraft faces are incapable of killing it, it is quite unbalanced.

They originally decompressed the BRs by moving those vehicles up in BR. The F5C went to 11.0 because it was too good for 10.3(and it should stay there). The Mig-21bis went to 11.3 when they decompressed, but then they recompress it by moving it back down to 11.0.

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And now the 11.x go down:

Compression at 10.x

The 11.x should also go up, as should the 12.x and 13.x

Edit to visualize:

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It’s not compression. For it to be compression the top BR would have to go from 13.7 to 13.3.
It’s moving BRs around. Not decompression, not compression.

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we are not talking about how compressed it was before, we are talking about how compressed it is now.

And lowering BRs is always a form of compression. Especially at the higher BRs, since they are near the 13.7 BR limit.
Yes, a vehicle, even the ones shown in green, might underperform.
But not because they are bad vehicles and deserve a lower BR, more because they face stronger opponents that should be at a higher BR.
→ Underperformance caused by stronger vehicles that are too low in BR because of a low BR-limit.

If they raise the BR-limit, they have more room to balance vehicles and therefore are able to raise the BR of more capable vehicles, e.g. the ARH-missile-carriers.

And they cannot just raise every BR by .3, like they do in ground at the moment, because that will only decompress 1 BR at the time. In ground this time it is 9.3.
Everything above that is still compressed the same. So some vehicles have to be raised .7 or even 1 or more BRs to decompress all the BR ranges.

So to say this is not compression, because they didn’t fully reverse all decompression they did is utter nonsense.
Gaijin will read this and think: Yeah, we did a good job decompressing by lowering BRs; the wrong takeaway from this.

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13.7 isn’t going to 13.3 as your post falsely claims.
Moving BRs around isn’t compression.

To say this is compression is the same as saying this is decompression.

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Read my post and my replies again, understand them and then think for a day about them.

Then come back and put down your answer.

I will not answer you anymore, nor will I read your replies.

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It is in some cases, and isn’t in other cases. Moving the Mig-15s and Sabres down was compression, since it compressed early jets even more. Moving something like the Harrier FRS.1 down isn’t compression, since it was overtiered at 11.3.

My personal view on what the balance should be, is that every vehicle should be able to be moved up and down by 0.3 without causing major balance issues.

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@DiamondCraftLP
Well, it’s sad you won’t read peoples’ responses anymore. Thanks for proving everyone correct though.

Note, I am NOT the one that said moving BRs around isn’t compression/decompression.
I am repeating a well known fact originated from others in the BR decompression topics that I agreed with.

So yeah, not my take; just a take I adopted from others as I fact-checked it to be true instantly.

If moving vehicles up [within the existing BR range] isn’t decompression, moving them down isn’t compression.

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Just baiting and trolling. Im glad you learned lol.

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Maybe their posts shouldn’t bait us demanding decompression.
WT needs more decompression, and people ignoring us only proves us right.

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reading comprehension: F

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@DiamondCraftLP
Not sure why you’re giving yourself an F.
Hopefully you can read as good as those of us educated to a college level though.

That or you’re character attacking me cause you hate that I demand decompression, which proves the WT community correct that WT needs more decompression.