Comprehensive Technical Review: BM “Oplot,” “Duplet”/”Nozh” Dynamic Protection System, and Modeling Deficiencies

I will make a few points to address your claims,

  1. Firstly, regarding the kinetic protection provided by Duplet:

According to the data provided, assuming the plate was angled at 68 degrees (same as T-64/72/80/84/90), 58mm penetration after encountering duplet, means 155mm residual penetration from LOS.

In-game, 3BM42’s penetration at 60 degrees at 100m is 524mm (the link you provided claims the penetration would be >550mm). Lets take the lowest figure of 524mm (Even in-game this number would be higher because BM42 effective penetration increases with the angle of the plate):

In game number for 60 degrees: 524-155=369mm penetration defeated.
Claimed real life number: 550-155 = 395mm penetration defeated.

This also lines up with my calculations of the tests done on the turret:
Approximately 120mm LOS penetration was observed at a firing angle of about 60 degrees. Taking the in-game number at 60 degrees, 524-120 = 404mm penetration reduction.

Averaging all these numbers, Duplet, including its covers and dampeners should stop 390mm of kinetic penetration.

Remember, the 369mm reduction is actually false because it uses BM42 penetration figure for 60 degrees not 68, so the average is actually lower than it should be.

In-game, Duplet stops approximately 292mm of kinetic penetration, including the protection provided by all covers and dampeners. 100mm less protection than it should provide.

Additionally, all of this is calculated for BM42, which has a segmented core, allowing it to perform better against ERA, mono-block projectiles such as BM60 or OFL F1 would be affected to an even greater degree. (As stated in the blog you linked)

  1. Regarding the 50mm steel plate of the BM Oplot.

I agree with your assessment that such a plate would have shown different results from the turret tests, and we should have observed very little residual penetration after two layers of ERA.

The issue is, BM Oplot certainly has this plate, there is no doubt about it, it can be seen in any factory images of the module, and the blueprint of the module mounted on BM Oplot confirms that this plate exists and is made of the same RHA as the rest of the module.

My personal theory is that the duplet module tested against BM42 was made according to the patent and did not contain this plate, but only dampeners similar to turret ERA, which is why it performed similarly to the turret ERA. However, ofc this is my theory, and I don’t have any concrete evidence to prove it.

  1. Conclusion:

If we model the Oplot’s armour without this 50mm plate, the ERA’s effectiveness against kinetic rounds should still be increased by about a 100mm at the very least.

If we take into account the increased protection against monoblock projectiles, and the 50mm plate, this protection should be even higher, but 390mm of reduction against Kinetic rounds is an absolute must.

As for the side skirts, its values should be adjusted according to the ERA performance calculated above, but overall I don’t have much issues with how they’re modelled in game. They seem to be accurate to the Thai version of the tank.

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Can the side skirt deflect ammunition, they don’t in game now

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It should be capable of defeating almost all shaped charge ammunition, and some APFSDS fired at an angle. Fixing the side armour thickness should also help with this.

According to the manual, the side ERA contains one model 34 ERA and 2 model 19. So in theory it should provide less protection than normal Duplet

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Btw do we have any info on the roof armour of BM Oplot? In game it is modelled to be around 25mm, in comparison, T-90M is 45mm, its why Oplot is so easy to over-pressure by hitting the sight with HE or HEAT.

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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/tjNFRUTF1IzA

A report regarding an armour hole found on the turret was accepted, we can expect to see stronger resistance against overpressure.

Although I am still not sure where 25mm roof armour was found by the devs.

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Mate, you are wasting your time. This game is developed by russians. Any ukrainian tank in this game will always be 10x nerfed, no matter what evidence you present to the developers. They could never accept the fact that tank made by ukrainians is way better than any russian tank.

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It’s not like Duplet is underperforming but it’s like Russian heavy ERA is over performing Vs NATO-standard ammo so we expect Duplet to be way better as it is now? Isn’t it?

Yeah, russian bias is a thing. But in case of russian ERA there is no bias, IRL it is really capable of stopping kinetic rounds, so in WT russian ERA is performing accordingly - they just didnt have to make it better than it is IRL. But in case of ukrainian ERA they had to make it worse, otherwise we would have situation where ukrainian tank is better than russian, because they would be same in terms of firepower and protection, but Oplot would also have reverse which is huge deal in game.

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It is literally underperforming, it should stop almost 400mm kinetic penetration minimum

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I found this video, might help with the vertical speed discussion.
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Clearly this movement is independent of the stabilizer since the tank is stationary. And it seems to be higher than 4.4 deg/sec.

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It seems there are more holes than we realized. Oplot’s turret holes

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I think this will also be fixed, seems to be the same hole as in this report. Community Bug Reporting System

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How come duplet can’t deflect apfsds while relikt can?

the side ERA only intervenes against the rod’s trajectory at angles of 65 degrees or higher, whereas Relict becomes effective at a much earlier angle of 35 degrees. This results in the APFSDS rounds that penetrate Relict causing less damage than those hitting the Oplot’s base side armor, even though basic Relict ( without additional era packages)has a lower rated KE protection value. These two ERA types work differently, but I didn’t expect the difference in their effectiveness to be so pronounced.

It can deflect, but only deflect when the pen is already yellow or red😆

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Well I guess we know now, lol

https://x.com/andreibtvt/status/1975534194970239098?s=46&t=LO_FPDatH9sIUE5hlB6NPA

Turret armour is (hopefully) fixed.

Here is all the info that I managed to gather from russian CIS forum topic regarding Oplot:

The UFP -
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This image demosntrates, quote “the early prototype of filler, stacked plates” that was later changed to homogenous plate in production searies.
It is this part:
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The part of technical documentation for this specific part was posted with some editing with comments:
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You can note that blueprint shows 3 rows of bolts it is because later Oplot variants have afromentionted section look like this:
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The ERA -

Gaijin used this broshure http://uamicrotech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/p04.pdf which is dedicated for the similar ERA as original Duplet but made by
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A company that was established in 2018 , while ERA used for Oplot(and Thai variant) was made by "Basic Center of Critical Technologies “Mikrotek” ". Not to mention that Oplot itself was produced from 2009 to 2018.

If we to inspect the broshure we can already see the issue with the number of inner elements used -


Additionally it seems that new HKChPWSH elements use aluminum(I found explanation that it is less prone to corrosion resulting in longer shelf life) instead of copper for shaped charges. This and the size of charges indicates that it is less effective than original “ХСЧКВ34”.

In conclusion, if regarding ERA effectiveness there is room for debate and doubt, for 50mm plates between ERA there is none and it is only up to common sense and decency from Gaijin now.

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This change would also explain the claimed lighter weight of these elements by the manufacturer.

That looks neat, nice to see a biy more info.

Quote? Can you provide the link/source to such quote? Would be another nice point in proving what kind of armor is there.

Just quoting what some tank enthusiast blogger said, the one that provided bluepring piece, not like official source quote.