So, which one would this one be? It’s a vehicle from the early 90s.
Definitely seems like a CSE 90 to me
It’s that in this publication they put it in the 90LP section, that’s why I got confused, but it also seemed to me that it was the normal version for a 90s vehicle. they have to fix that.
Is there no publication that discusses the standard CSE 90 version? Since the company is currently promoting the 90LP version, I’d like to see a spec sheet for the old turret.
I have this pair of images of the CSE 90 that I got from Janes, but I would like more information or something more official.
That’s my mistake, I couldn’t find a picture from the front, so at the time I based it on the modifications found on the back. I will amend it soon.
The current Cockerill website only has info on the turrets they’re currently selling, but let me look in the archived website
This is all i could find rn, been a while since i’ve looked at that
The 2000 CMI brochure for the “COCKERILL Mk3/CSE
90 mm WEAPON SYSTEM”: https://web.archive.org/web/20071014055523/http://www.cmi.be/files/files/defence/cse90.pdf
Huh, a new vehicle they put it on haha
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Here’s a table to compare the most mass-produced versions of Cockerill turrets.
| Turret Model | Main Armament / Compatible Calibers | Calibre (mm) | Elevation / Traverse / Stabilization | Crew / Operation | Armor / Protection | Fire Control / Sensors | Autoloader Capacity | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| C-series (C25 & C30) | Oerlikon KBA 25 mm (C25), Oerlikon KBB 25 mm (C25), Mauser 30 mm (C30); adaptable for 20–40 mm autocannons | 25–30 | High-speed electro-mechanical power drives; stabilization available | Single or two-man turret | Not specified | Standard day/night sights; stabilization optional | Manual / Not applicable | Can be integrated on tracked or wheeled vehicles; versatile modular design for multiple calibers |
| CPWS20/25/30 | 20–30 mm autocannons (ATK M242, Nexter, Oerlikon KBA/M230LF); 7.62 mm coaxial MG | 20–30 | –10° to +60°; 360° traverse; stabilized | Remote-operated | Ballistically enclosed; lightweight | High-performance stabilized day/night sight; panoramic 360° view; digital ballistic computer | 150 rounds | Designed for 4×4 AFVs; unmanned; crew operates from within the vehicle; modular design for various calibers |
| CPWS Gen 2 | 25–30 mm autocannons | 25–30 | Not specified | Remote-operated | Armored station; protects crew | Stabilized thermal day/night sight; ballistic computer | Manual / Not applicable | High mobility; compatible with troop/cargo vehicles |
| 1030 | 30×173 mm chain gun (Mk44S) | 30 | –10° to +70°; stabilized | Remote weapon station (1–2 crew) | Composite/aluminium; optional STANAG L2–L4 | Digital vision systems; modular integration of AT missiles, APS, sensors | 200 rounds | Lightweight (< 1.5 t); UAV and counter-UAS capability |
| 3030 CRADA | XM813 30 mm chain gun | 30 | –10° to +60°; dual-axis stabilized | Two-man turret | Up to STANAG Level 5; modular armor | Dual-axis stabilized day/night sights; 360° external cameras; optional ATGM integration | 255 rounds | Developed under US Army ARDEC CRADA; modular design supports 30–105 mm calibers |
| Cockerill 3000 Series (3030/3035) | 30 mm / 35 mm autocannons; ATGMs | 30–35 | –10° to +42°; 360° traverse; stabilized | Two-man, modular turret | STANAG Level 4–5 depending on config | Digital day/night FCS; hunter-killer capability; modular for 30–35 mm armament | Varies by calibre | Modular design; supports medium-calibre autocannons, 105 mm HP gun, and missile systems |
| Cockerill i-X | 25–30 mm cannon; ATGMs, rockets; coaxial MG | 25–30 | –10° to +60°; stabilized | Retractable turret; 2-person vehicle | Level 2 STANAG ballistic; Level 3 mine | 360° EO sights, IR, LRF; AI-assisted targeting; sensor fusion | Manual / Not applicable | High-speed stealth interceptor; fully digitized; adaptive camouflage |
| CM 90 | 90 mm low-pressure gun (Mk3) | 90 | Not specified | Two-person turret | Low weight; for vehicles ~7 t | Electro-mechanical drive; day/night FCS | Manual / Not applicable | Precursor to CSE 90LP; adaptable for light vehicles |
| CSE 90 | 90 mm low-pressure gun | 90 | Not specified | Two-person turret | Lightweight; adaptable to many vehicle types | Day/night optical sight; mechanical or electric drives | Manual / Not applicable | Earlier design preceding modernized CSE 90LP |
| CSE 90LP (modern) | Smoothbore 90 mm Cockerill Mk 3MA-1 or Mk. 7 | 90 | –8° to +15°; 360° traverse; stabilized | Two-man, low-profile turret | STANAG Level 1–4 | Electro-mechanical, digital day/night FCS | Not specified | Compact, rugged, versatile; 7–15 t vehicles; HE, APFSDS-T, Canister |
| LCTS 90MP | Smoothbore 90 mm Cockerill Mk. 7 & Mk. 8 | 90 | –8° to +15°; 360° traverse; stabilized | Two-man, low-profile turret | STANAG Level 1–4 | Advanced digital, day/night FCS | Yes | Lightweight, high lethality; HE, APFSDS-T, Canister; 10–20 t vehicles |
| CT-CV 105HP | Rifled Cockerill 105 mm CV; Falarick ATGM compatible | 105 | –10° to +42°; 360° traverse; stabilized | Two-man turret | STANAG Level 4 | Advanced digital, day/night FCS | 12–15 rounds | High lethality, guided missile capable; 20–30 t vehicles; NATO standard, smart, guided munitions |
| XC-8-105 | 105 mm HP; Falarick GLATGM | 105–120 | Not specified | Two-person turret with autoloader | Lightweight concept | Fully stabilized digital FCS | 16 rounds | Modular concept turret for medium tanks/AFVs |
| Cockerill 3105 | 105 mm high-pressure gun + optional MGs/AGL/AT systems | 105 | –10° to +42°; stabilized | Two-person turret with autoloader | STANAG 4569 Level 5 (base) | Dual-axis sights, hunter-killer capability, 360° cameras, APS, acoustic detection | 12–16 rounds | Modular; lighter than standard MBT turrets; adaptable to multiple platforms |
| XC-8-120 | 120 mm smoothbore + GLATGM | 120 | Not specified | Two-person turret | Lightweight concept | Fully stabilized digital FCS | 12 rounds | Evolution of XC-8 for 120 mm armament |
I’ll maybe add the others here later. We’ll see.
Addition of a comparison table to easily compare Cockerill-made guns
The Mk V isn’t included, as there is no information on its existence.
| Variant | Era (approx.) | Pressure Class | Barrel Length | Recoil Stroke | APFSDS Capable? | Typical Turrets / Platforms | Notable Features / Differences |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk I | 1960s–early 1970s | Low | — | 300 mm | No | Early light vehicle turrets | First Cockerill 90 mm; basic HEAT/HESH low-pressure gun. |
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk II | early–mid 1970s | Low | — | 500 mm | No | Light AFV turrets, tank upgrades | Revised recoil mech to reduce trunnion force. |
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk III | 1970s–80s | Low | ≈ 3.25 m (L/36) | — | No (baseline) | Light turrets, export AFVs | Triple-baffle brake; softened recoil; recocking breech. |
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk III A-1 | mid-1980s | Low | ≈ 3.25 m (L/36) | 300 mm | Yes | CM-90 / CSE-90 turrets | Single-baffle brake; APFSDS-capable. |
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk III A-2 | 1980s | Low | — | — | Unclear | Same as A-1 | Minor internal update; sparse public data. |
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk IV A-1 | late 1970s–80s | Low/Medium | L/50 | — | No | M41 Bulldog (Uruguay) upgrades | Longer barrel; concentric fume extractor near muzzle. |
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk IV A-2 | 1980s | Low/Medium | L/50 | — | No | M41 upgrades (Thailand) | Customer-specific tweaks; same Mk IV architecture. |
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk IV A-3 | 1980s | Low/Medium | L/50 | — | No | AMX-13 regun, M41 upgrades | As A-2 with minor internal differences. |
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk VI | late 1980s | Low/Medium | — | — | Unclear | Transitional model | Bridge between Mk IV and Mk VII. |
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk VII | late 1980s | Low/Medium | ≈ 4.365 m (L/48.5) | 350–370 mm | Yes (with single-baffle brake) | Limited fielding; eclipsed by Mk 8 | Refined rifling/recoil; optional single-baffle brake. |
| 90 mm Cockerill Mk 8 / 90 MP | 1990s–present | Medium | L/48.5 | 350–370 mm | Yes | LCTS 90MP turret | Modern medium-pressure 90 mm; low recoil; autoloader. |
| 90 mm Cockerill CSE 90 LP | 1990s–present | Low | 3.25 m (L/36) | — (hydro-spring) | No | CSE 90LP turret | Lightweight LP gun; indirect fire to ~6 km. |
| 105 mm Cockerill CV (CT-CV 105HP) | 2000s–present | High | ≈ 5.55 m (L/51) | <150 kN recoil force | Yes (plus GLATGM) | CT-CV 105HP turret, XC-8 turret, Cockerill 3000 series turret | Autoloader, high elevation; missile option; indirect fire to ~10 km. |
| 120 mm Cockerill HP (XC-8 turret) | 2010s–present | High | — | — | Yes (plus GLATGM) | XC-8 turret, medium tanks | 120 mm smoothbore; high-pressure for medium tank roles. |
Patria 6×6 HAPC (Heavy Armoured Personnel Carrier) with Cockerill CLWS
Vehicle integration: Tracked or wheeled 4x4 to 8x8 chassis
Turret: Welded aluminium structure
Crew: RWS with one (gunner) or 2 (gunner & commander)
Main armament:
· 25x137 mm gun (M242 (NGC), 25M811 (Nexter),…)
· 30x113 gun (M230LF (NGC), 30M781 (Nexter),…)
· 12.7mm
· Turret launched AT system
Secondary armament: 7.62mm co-ax (Optional), Turret launched AT systems (Optional), Rockets (Optional)
Ammunition loading: Single feeder with 90-120 ammunitions depending gun configuration - Reloading
under protection
Anti-tank capability: LWS, APS,…
Protection: Smoke grenade launchers (Optional)
Sights: Panoramic (360°, stabilized) or coaxial sight (TV/IR/LRF)
Elevation: -10°/+50°
D/R/I: D 8000 / R 4000 / I 2000 (Upgradable in option)
Ballistic protection: Up to level 2 STANAG 4569
I have few missing pieces you could add to the list.
Tulpar (1030) FEINDEF 2023
Kaplan HT (XC-8) İDEF 2017 Prototype
ZMA-19 (CSE 90LP)
Akrep IId (CSE 90LP)
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I hope they keep developping on the i-X
because this thing with its 200 kph top speed and its +200 HP/T looks like a real menace
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Valkyr with Cockerill 90 mm and 25 mm
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Not sure if this is just the gun or full turret, but came across this:
“Cougar WFSV”
Claims it using the 90mm Cockrill Mk.1
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I’m not an expert with Canadian prototypes, but because of the muzzle flash it’s hard to determine if this is a 90 mm or a 76 mm.
Janes has this to say:
CANADA
Light Armored Vehicle
Between 1979 and 1983 the Diesel Division of General Motors Canada built a total of 419 Armoured Vehicle General Purpose (AVGP) for the Canadian Armed Forces. These were based on the Swiss MOWAG Piranha (6 X 6) design and built in three versions:
- Cougar 76 mm Wheeled Fire Support Vehicle (WFSV)
- Grizzly Wheeled Armoured Personnel Carrier (WAPC)
- Husky Wheeled Maintenance and Recovery Vehicle (WMRV)
Following a competition with vehicles submitted by Alvis (Scorpion 90 and Stormer), Cadillac Gage (Command V-300 and V-150) and General Motors Canada (WFSV) the US Marine Corps selected the General Motors Canada in an 8x8 configuration to meet its requirement for a Light Armored Vehicle (LAV). The US Marine Corps has a requirement for 289 vehicles while the US Army has a requirement for 680 vehicles, subject to Congressional action and changes in requirements.
I have not yet come across Cockerill papers that mentioned the cougar, but for these time periods it’s definitely possible.
Even more, the gun could look like the 76 mm:
But it would certainly be possible, as this is an ALVIS 76 mm turret, the exact one which was used in the scorpion 90 programs and many more where the 90 mm was used!
The 76mm gun likely refers to the production gun it had, as it used the Scorpion turret with the L23A1 gun.
However, it being the Scorpion 90 turret could be the case, after all, it already used a different Scorpion turret.
This is all else I could find, on the one I posted originally:
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