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Also how about PRC destroyers, like CNS Anshan and CNS Yinchuan(107)
would also like to evantually see the Type 052D and type 055 destroyers
would be so fun to troll people with the YJ-21
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Anshan is already in the tech tree as premium since it is copy paste and Type 051 destroyer would be rank VI or above due to it being Missile destroyer which are currently on in the game.
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Doesn’t matter if it is copy paste, it has historical importance
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It would probably be better if this was integrated within the Chinese Coastal Tech Tree (but I do understand why it needed a separate suggestion) but should reflect the rank as well and must spawn in bluewater spawn zones.
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It does matter, in a sense that we are trying to mostly avoid copy-paste in the main tech tree, keeping it unique through foreign vessels having unique rearmament. Chongqing was added in the main tech tree despite being copy-paste due to it being the largest sea worthy cruiser used by both PRC and ROC.
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If you’re trying to keep it less copy-and-paste, might I suggest looking into some of the paper designs, too? Just considering there is precedent for adding actual paper ships (Gaijin has already added a couple, for example, Project 69 as designed, Amagi’s 1919 Preliminary, etc.). Chinese Bluewater is one of those trees that will probably require a lot of paper designs if you want to keep it unique.
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I swear
even though i like to advocate for more unique chinese vehicles that are not getting added for some reason(like J-11B, HQ-6) but Anshan is simply too important to ignore.
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I understand your idea and partially agree on it. It would be part of main tree if there was less original vessel to rank II and I hope you understand decision on why we put it as premium. We have plans for modified Anshan to become part of Main Tech Tree we suggested in case missile destroyers get added to the main game like they were added already in the Mobile version, which also has submarines. But we do not know yet which rank would that be.
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We appreciate the suggestion. We did implement those that we are aware of that construction began. No. 68 and No 64. If anyone finds more of uncompleted vessels we will greatly appreciate that.
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I would suggest adding bluewater ships from Chinese allied nations like Pakistan. They have the Dido class light cruiser which should fit quite nicely as well as other destroyers:
Maybe even other frigates and destroyers that dont have Ship-to-Ship Missile armament (I think SAM’s are fine):
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That’s not a bad idea; Pakistan, especially, would give a future Chinese naval tree a number of pretty decent ship options, including a fair number of British Destroyers.
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eventually, when more naval missiles get added i want the type 055 destroyer
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That is the plan in some way. The only problem would then be where does it get added since China did not posses any Rank V or rank VI worthy vessel. but overall many more types of ships could be added, type 052 onwards for PRC and Wu Chin I to III upgrades ROC.
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From the top of my head there was a single coastal defense battleship planned for china but construction was never carried out. (Thank you Azur Lane for bringing me to it with the Huan Ch’ang).
Also, there were a couple of heavy cruisers drawn up by Japanese designers but those also never left the drawing board.
Some truly paper designs that could be added as fillers.
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Firstly, thank you for those drawings. The problem especially with first one is that they were never considered by the Chinese but just proposals made for them as far as we know. The No 1006 is Harima’s shipyard project if remember correctly and I am not sure how seriously it was taken by the ROC authorities. I believe that current Gaijin’s policy is that to add a vessel to the game construction should at least begin. Maybe rank V could be a refit of already unbuilt No 68 cruiser with 8 150 mm cannons but we are not sure due to it being WW1 cruiser and only source I could find about that comes from Conway’s book. thank you tor the effort, we appreciate it and we will continue our research. o7
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Theres actually a WIP Naval Tech Tree for Pakistan & Bangladesh, someone even made a google spreadsheet for potential ships from the machinery of war discussion page. Could be good reference materiel:
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Here are a couple more suggestions on my end for your tree:
ROCS Lo Yang (DD-14) - Benson-class Destroyer transferred to the ROCN Post-War. She seems to have been modified at some point following her transfer, as the mast is not standard on the Benson-class; I’ve also seen some reference to her torpedos having been modified
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ROCS Hsiang Yang (DD-1) - One of several Allen M Sumner’s transferred to the ROCN, all of which received substantial modifications in ROCN service (just using Hsiang Yang as an example).
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And a slightly more controversial option, the ROCS Fen Yang. She was an Akizuki-class transferred to the ROCN in a disarmed state in 1947. Before the outbreak of the Korean War, Sasebo Heavy Industries was contracted to re-arm the ship using spare Japanese 100mm and 25mm guns and American 40mm Bofors, but the project was shelved due to the outbreak of the Korean War. That said, it might be a potential premium candidate. and there is precedent considering we have a number of ships with incomplete refits in-game
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Thank you for the ideas but at the moment we do not have any plans on implementing Pakistan into the Chinese naval tech tree. As of now we are trying to fill the tech tree with vessels having direct connection with China.
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Hi, thank you for the ideas. Could you please provide sources for USS Benson and change of torpedoes or any such modification occuring?
As far as we are aware about modifications of Allen M Summer-class it was Wu Chin I upgrade, which among other things added Hsiung Feng I missiles. We are not yet sure where to position them in the tech tree but but we do plan to implement Wu Chin I, II and III upgrades into our suggestion after missile destroyers get added into base game.
As for Fen Yang the idea sounds neat since the turrets would probably be unique and number of cannons overall differ from original ships. I could not find sources stating any specifics though.
Thank you again :)
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Of course, I had to do a lot of digging on this, but the USN apparently transferred the ship without any torpedo tubes. So, at some point, not only was the mast of the ship modified, but the ROCN also added Mk 32 torpedo tubes, as seen in this very tiny photo.
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Further evidence can be found when looking at her sister ship Han Yang (DD-15)
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Now, as for the mast. This is what the ship looked like right after being transferred.
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According to Navypedia, the ship had a different mast by 1970. However, I have seen photos from the mid-60s with that mast. Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to identify a date when the mast changed. Curiously, it seems Han Yang also received modifications to her aft mast.
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(Lo Yang during a Port Call by the Chilean Training Ship Esmerelda)
(Han Yang towards the end of her service life)
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