China top tier ground

Reload is 100% impacted by documentation.
There are zero reloads in War Thunder faster than IRL loading.

Also I’m going for the tanks as we speak, you do realize grinding takes time right?

You have to prove that the IRL reload rate of these tanks are faster than 6.5 seconds for it to go to 6.5 seconds in-game.

I see Solitaire thinks every tank that isn’t Leopard 2 isn’t capable as well.

@PompousMagnus
So because T-series tanks [Soviet and Chinese] have “bad reloads” “bad gun depression” and 'zero post-pen survivability" they’re bad?
What is your ideal tank then?
It can’t be 2A7V cause that has a bad reload and its protection isn’t up to your alleged standards.

I’d say the mobility increase that you admit exists is more important than you give it credit for.
Would you rather been in an Ariete AMV or a Challenger 2 TES?


Being capable =/= being meta, or being the best. It means being useful for the BR it’s placed.
M26 is capable at 6.7, it’s not the best, it’s not even the worst, it’s capable.

Against ZTZ99? I actually would yeah


Wow I already got flagged by certain someone.

Does Smin himself has to tell you his words again?

I treat both as equals.
One offers some armor protection, the other gives a better round.
It’s why I’m going for China’s top end to begin with. The mobility of the carousel autoloader tanks in a unique form.

And the only reason I didn’t have them in early 2024 was because all of 2023 I was burnt out of ground, and despite that I still got to 8.0 China, completed all ten tech trees, some naval and helicopter completion as well.

Smin is correct you are not.
“Does Smin have to tell you the same thing you’ve been telling us?”

Prove that reload isn’t a balancing mechanism within the realm of reality. I’ll wait.
Prove that ANY tank in War Thunder has a reload faster than real-life.

Dude do you even read the stuff you post?

better reload than 7.1 seconds, and better reload than 6.5, actual gun depression, actual armor, and a much better gun. So yeah its 100% the 2a7. I would rather play the ariete over the non 2E chally, but I’d rather play the abrams over the ariete.

You can get kills with a boxer MGS in top tier, “its capable.” This is really reductive reasoning. Just because something isnt completely trash doesnt mean its capable. The chally 2E is capable, the type10 is capable the ZTZs are a straight up liability.

Yeah I know many such cases, people making generalizing statements with no experience. Very common on the forums and leddit.

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More than you do. All you’ve done is repeat my statements about reload being a balancing measure [slowing reload down on vehicles] except you’ve omitted the fact that Gaijin still doesn’t make reloads faster than the real-life tanks.

Thanks for proving my point.

I respect your perspective and acknowledge it.
Just as I hope you respect others.

Yeah I give up. I wonder how do you even live your life with your logic.

I respect peoples opinions that are well reasoned and informed. Your statements in this thread and others prove you have not met either of those requirements.

I’ve used the tank that is effectively the ZTZ-99A at top BR: T-80BVM without the ERA upgrade for the sides.
Well, the BVM’s less mobile with a slightly faster reload, but that’s beside the point.

I’m prepared for its playstyle.
I stopped caring about gun depression when people stopped playing Second battle of El Alamein with any sort of consistency, and even then most of my preferred routes don’t rely on it.

I do accept that those aspects are what you prefer.
I’m not trying to be as good as you, I’m trying to have a fun time and that fun time nets me 1.5 - 2.5:1 KDRs in MBTs on average.
If I wanted to aim higher, yeah I’d learn from you or Cavenub, but I don’t want to.

My advice and perspective comes from an above average player.
Your perspective comes from a player whose purpose is seemingly the statcard, and I can respect that.
I will also respect the perspectives of the average players, and the below average players.
Cause without the below average players, neither of our performances would even exist.

WZ1001 is more armored than I remember checking.
Standard weakspots pictured.

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They remind me of Leopard 2PL but with a stronger UFP and round and smaller breech area.
Oh, and more unsecured ammo storage.

With reload being my only primary complaint, I’m going to enjoy these; just will have to do the pop out and back tactic I do with Leopards and Abrams.

WRONG

Nope, average at best.

If your argument comes down to “I have more fun. Or I play for fun” than everything you are saying is moot. We are not discussing the “fun” of the tank just its objective performance compared to other tanks at the same BR. Under these circumstances they(ztz99) do not compare favorably. Your “advice” is as worthless as 10,000 Zimbabwean dollars. Just play for fun and stop arguing with people more knowledgeable on these topics.

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An average player is 1:1, there are no AI in ground.
We’re not talking game mechanics, so your knowledge on this subject will be about my knowledge at best.
I only speak when I have knowledge, if I don’t have knowledge I learn.

which is on average your overall stats.

You literally do not own the tanks in question this is beyond logic.

You do not have to own vehicles to assess their capabilities IF you’re capable of cross-analysis, have used other vehicles of the same class, studied [used/fought against] multiple vehicles containing the whole of their characteristics.

What I don’t care to learn for is the meta strats on every single map, which would increase my performance to significantly higher levels.

Ok ladies can we not trash talk each other about stats along vehicle owned or not. What you two are arguing about have no value in talking about Chinese vehicle or anything relate to the original thread. If you dislike other please block or ignore , stop the trash talk please

You are talking about “fun” factor which you could not possibly know unless you have played them since you are ignoring all the statements above that people WHO ACTUALLY OWN THEM AND PLAY THEM are telling you. I dont think someone is capable of judging the performance of a tank without playing it with stats like yours, you are not even able to play the tanks you have at a high level, why would we think you could judge a tank you have never played?

YUP my point exactly.