To start this discussion, this is about my belief that Chinese Mbt’s (like France in the past) need a buff to be able to compete with other top tier nations. To begin I have to say that I have completed the ground tech trees for almost all nations except America and Britain. In my opinion and the opinion of many others China currently falls into the top three worst nations at top tier and not because their tanks are actually modeled like they are in real life (looking at you Ariete) but because they are missing many important specifications. To explain why I believe this lets go over some parts of China’s top Mbt’s (specifically the ZTZ99a but they share many specs). The ZTZ99a has armor which is very decent considering many top tier tanks, however this does not mean it has great survivability whatsoever (Edit: spal liners when btw?). Over and over again when playing this vehicle tanks will punch right through the turret cheeks or through the front of the hull itself. The armor has many weak spots that are very large. The turret roof has little protection, the top of the hull is very weakly armored and the lower plate kills the crew instantly because the fuel ignites 100% of the time killing the crew instantly. Which by the way is unlike curtain other nations with very similar tanks. In game the reload found on Chinese Mbt’s is 7.1 seconds which is the longest at top tier tied with Russia’s Mbt’s. If the Chinese round did more damage I would be fine with the fact that the reload is 7.1 seconds even if in real life it is 6.0 seconds. However the in-game round does not do much damage most of the time and this is where France like I mentioned at the beginning comes into play. Olf 120 f2 does about the same damage as Dct10-125 and when Frances Leclerc tanks reload was 6.0 seconds they sometimes struggled like these Chinese tanks today. But because Frances Mbt’s reloads were buffed a better round was no longer seen as being needed because often a second shot was easy to do. To me I believe that this is where Chinese tanks are right now. They have some decent armor and mobility but at close ranges and in brawling situations even if they fire first they will lose the fight almost every time. This happens because their round often does very little damage which is only worsened by their long reload which is beaten by almost everything else. These tanks are also missing other features from their real life counterparts, like armor, however I am fine without this if they are given a reload buff or ammo buff. Currently China is not doing well and is surpassed by almost every other nation’s vehicles in almost every field except mobility and armor. For me personally even the Merkava and Ariete are better tanks and I do better with them both. I wish and look forward to the day when Chinese vehicles can shine in the light like so many other nations.
Thanks for reading-
The man without a soul.
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Realistically China should have the best vehicles in both air and ground but because of western bias and propaganda they are severely nerfed.
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Type 99A and VT4A are capable top BR vehicles with considerable turret armor, meta mobility, and competitive armament.
China is by far a perfectly capable tech tree in War Thunder, and IMO in a better state than France, Israel, and USSR.
I do not mention Italy for their Ariete AMV has DM53 with a 5.3 second expert crewed reload, and Leopard 2A7HU, which I consider superior to everything USSR, China, Israel, and France have to offer personally. Note the Ariete AMV is a personal bias, I am aware of its unarmored state.
There are issues, such as inadequate CAS.
There are also universal problems that all ten tech trees can’t counter meta CAS in War Thunder.
These should be alleviated.
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Ah so your a Russian main. I will not be listening to anything you have to say because you lack real experience. Anyways no France is much better than china and even if they sometimes suck i have quite a good k/d with france. The ariete has a 5.0 second reload btw so you dont know what your talking about. And saying Russia is worse than China is clear bias towards your skill issue. If you dont have a 3/1 k/d in the t80bvm you cant talk to me.
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@ChatBannedSnail
And here your post is calling China Russia.
No, I am not and have never been a main of Russia.
I was a Japan main for a very short time in 2019, but that quickly changed and I have all 10 tech trees completed for air, and 6 for ground, with the last 4 at 8.0, 9.3, 10.7, and 8.0 BRs respectively.
You shouldn’t ignore Chinese tech tree players.
The fact that I prefer China over USSR is a non-issue.
What Western Bias? The west doesn’t have the best CAS nor best SPAA, and now they don’t have the best tanks after the unfair implementation of basket modeled as horizontal.
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Rafale is literally the best CAS in War Thunder.
F-15E, Mirage 2000DRMV, Su-34, Su-30 are all equally OP to each other.
Typhoon is arguably as OP as those.
No tech tree has SPAA capable of fragging these CAS platforms except Typhoon but that’s all tech trees for Typhoon.
So are you defending Russia? Cause they have had these baskets modeled as horizontal since last year.
It’s not, KH38MT is superior.
They’re not, as i stated earlier SU-30,SU-34 are superior to the ones you mentioned.
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Clear bias here. No the Rafale is NOT the best cas. That goes to Russia for the last few years now. And maybe the reason for Russian tanks needing turret rings is because they are overpowered vehicles that step on everything else like them at every br. Chinese tanks get no Russian bias they dont survive shots to the ammo EVER only Russian vehicles in game can survive direct shots to ammo.
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The 2s6 is probably the second or third best spaa in game. At 10.7 its op asf. Its almost as good as the pantsir and its almost the same br as the roland systems. Not to mention the bmp2m is probably the best light tank in game. Its been nerfed but its still much better than the stupid puma which sits at such a high br considering it only has a bush master.
please name one other nation not including blow out panels
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Any vehicle in the game can get it’s ammo blacked out without exploding.
That is literally only found on low teir tanks (mostly solid shot rounds btw) and specifically russian ones.
That’s why you perform much better in the PUMA, seems interesting.
Thinking 2S6 is almost as good as the Pantsir makes me believe you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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Hammer is superior having GPS guidance as backup while Kh-38 does not.
Rafale also climbs faster and goes faster.
Hammers go 30km with IR IOG and GPS guidance, same distance as Kh-38s but with superior backup options.
F-15E has access to SPAA decoys, 20 of them, capable of distracting SPAA players while it rains AGM-65s on the top of MBTs.
And Mirage 2000D RMV has Hammers, same amount as Su-30 has Kh-38s with a similar acceleration and climb rate to each other.
@ChatBannedSnail
First you claimed I have China bias, now you’re claiming I have French bias.
There’s no such thing as Russian bias, that’s a myth made up by the Russians.
And yes, I’m aware Russian tanks never survive ammo shots, I’ve faced Russian tanks for 6 years now starting with Type 74G and Type 90.
Russian tanks have never been overpowered in the history of War Thunder, and I’ve been facing those Russian tanks for over 6 years.
2S6, TOR-M1, and HQ17 only became good in War Thunder when their BRs were corrected, and two of them are in China’s tech tree.
2S6 is not and has never been OP in War Thunder, neither is the TOR-M1 or HQ17 your post is indirectly calling OP.
BMP-2M was never the best light tank in War Thunder, the top light tanks in War Thunder in order are: CV90120/HSTVL tied for 1st, VT5 in 3rd, and 2S25M in 4th despite having the worst armor of the 4.
I’ve experienced it on higher tier tanks as well.
Having “2s6 suffers” in your profile is crazy not only is it good at killing tanks i have a insane kill amount for aircraft even at top tier. Use the irst instead of the radar and watch they fall. Also I played the puma a lot by itself while i only used the bmp2m as a back up vehicle most of the time. Thats why i have different k/d amounts
IRST doesn’t help with a missile being a slug after 5km.
