China should not get a M1A2T Abrams

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Sandsmann

The M4A5 was in the American tree first, Canada is not a sub nation of anyone.

Skink was in the British tree first; Canada is not a sub nation of anyone.
(But historically, UK-CAN has larger ties than US-CAN, maybe off topic though.)

@Sandsmann

They don’t even get the M8 Greyhound in their research tree, Despite it being their most produced and used armored car of all time, Instead its limited to an ancient event or marketplace, But you know who does get it as a free unlock-able vehicle? That’s right, The Chinese tree.

Yeah, we named M24 as Chaffee, and we used plenty of M4 Shermans in WW2 too, and We suggested Grant Modification of M3 Tank
But

• No M24
• Single M4 Sherman with 75mm cannon, while the most iconic version, M4A4, is exclusive to others.
• You guys can buy Grant I with a handful of GE, while we are forced to buy an event vehicle coupon.

@Sandsmann

This thread has mostly been talking about ground vehicles, If you are seriously going to bring up a handful of planes they got then go look at the countless US planes that every tree gets in return.

Still, those puny planes destroy your ideal that [no Abrams for national uniqueness]
If you guys give up all of those C&P, we will also drop those Martlets or Thunderbolts.

(Of course, I am well aware that either option will not happen because gaijin don’t want to.)

[Alpharius11348]

oh yeah, there are a few in the sweedish tech tree, because it needed a finnish sub tree to fill massive gaps in its air tree

[O_Warrior0]

Evidence of Chinese love Western tanks more then there own Tank.

[Alpharius11348]

@Stockholm_Blend

Still, those puny planes destroy your ideal that [no Abrams for national uniqueness]

they really dont, because all of them were from the short time frame when gaijin was copying as many planes as they possibly could so they could say there were more planes in the game than a competitor, they are also all premium not in the tech tree and relatively rare to see in a match

[Sandsmann]

@Stockholm_Blend

Yeah, we named M24 as Chaffee, and we used plenty of M4 Shermans in WW2 too, and We suggested Grant Modification of M3 Tank
But

• No M24

Oh wow, You named a tank, That totally means its entirely yours then! /s.

Im going to call the Concept 3 “Steve”, US tree when?

The US used Fireflies but i see no Fireflies in their tree either.

[Alpharius11348]

@Sandsmann

The US used Fireflies but i see no Fireflies in their tree either.

the US has its own unique T80 variant but for some reason its not in the tech tree

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Sandsmann

Im going to call the Concept 3 “Steve”, US tree when?

Did you guys operate Concept 3, officially?
We did. (I meant M24)

@Sandsmann

The US used Fireflies but i see no Fireflies in their tree either.

I am fine that you guys have Fireflies.

[AlvisWisla]

I’m having Doritos. Both are good options.

[NoRespawnsNeeded-psn]

Alright it’s made continue guys

[Sandsmann]

@Stockholm_Blend

Did you guys operate Concept 3, officially?
We did.

Im just calling out the “We named it” part.
Either way, The British tree is currently among the most unique in the game (And they have more research tree vehicles than the US), Adding more copy-paste garbage will only make it less interesting especially when the British have their own light tanks in the M24’s BR range.

If they had some hybrid that used a part of it like the French abomination (AMX-13 M24) Then id support it.

[Kingtiez-live]

What do you think RoC stands for?

[MokaMoki]

I know what it stands for. Doesn’t matter or change the situation. RoC could actually be moved to the US tree since so many of their vehicles are US-made. China does not need an American Abrams.

[Kingtiez-live]

Taiwan is fine where it is, getting a Abrams isn’t going to hurt the U.S. tree.

[MokaMoki]

And not getting an Abrams isn’t going to hurt China.

[MotorolaCRO]

@MokaMoki

China does not need it and they shouldn’t get it. Full stop. Especially after their temper tantrum on the VT4 as well.

China does need a competitive MBT.

[Kingtiez-live]

This mentality is going to be the reason why excitement is killed off for Sub trees or any new nations, individual complain and whine that X nations tank is going into a X nations tree, just get over it, it’s going to happen.

[chicken_tandoori]

@O_Warrior0

Evidence of Chinese love Western tanks more then there own Tank.

I don’t blame them, type 99 uses bathroom tiles as ERA.
I find it hilarious that most chinese players i encounter are US mains.

[MotorolaCRO]

@JKS7117

Again your argument is to ruin it further. I think that is a terrible idea. The only winner in that world would be Israel because they don’t export yet. Sim would be ruined, there would be no point in playing other nations, and the game would be a terrible vibe.

It’s already ruined with all those copy pastes and US has copies across multiple nations already.
Sim is dead and is already ruined by these copies so nothing would change.

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Sandsmann

Either way, The British tree is currently among the most unique in the game (And they have more research tree vehicles than the US), Adding more copy-paste garbage will only make it less interesting especially when the British have their own light tanks in the M24’s BR range.

For me, I want British M24 badly because Crommy is a good makeshift light tank, but it doesn’t have APHE and fancy 50cal.
But yeah, about this part, I also partially agree with you.

We can have British M24 in our tree, maybe it should’ve been sooner than M44, but also not in the near future.
(Sad part is we already have M44.)
I want M24 of ours, but it isn’t urgent.

@Sandsmann

If they had some hybrid that used a part of it like the French abomination (AMX-13 M24) Then id support it.

AFAIK, we didn’t build Chimaera M24 of our own.

For the French part, AFAIK, French were the biggest consumers of M24 after WW2
So I think they have the right to have their normal M24.
Maybe They are bit more urgent than us(Brits)

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Back to the original topic,
I am well aware of what you guys are worrying about
But I think neglecting M1A2T is not right.

Because
-They bought it
-You sold it
-They used it.

Better than their [ROK F-35 to China!] claim before.

So, I am supporting by adding a distinct additional line.
-Only when Chinese let the Thai have their VT4.

If they really want to gatekeep VT4 forevermore, then you guys have the right to gatekeep M1A2T forevermore.
I think this doesn’t contradict.

[chicken_tandoori]

@MotorolaCRO

China does need a competitive MBT.

Or perhaps it needs good players…