The tree is fine, although there are many important tanks and vehicles missing, especially from Chile, such as the M-50 HVMS, which would be one of the most important and valuable, in this same sub tree that I made you can see it
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If you look closely you’ll find the “M60 Sherman”, that is the name I gave to the M50/M51 HVMS, because of the name of the cannon
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I like the idea, but gotta disagree with some of the BRs.
M24 HVMS- it’s an M24. Boosted top forward and reverse speed, but less HP. The 60mm HVMS is nice, but it offers essentially identical penetration as the M41A1’s 76mm and is still manually loaded. 6.0, would be a great reserve vehicle if the <5.7 tanks are not added (which I’d recommend cause otherwise that’s a lot of 1 tank lineups).
M-60 (aka M-50 HVMS)- same deal. Gun isn’t quite as good as you give it credit for, I believe. 6.3 or 6.7, not 7.3- it’s still a Sherman, not a Patton.
M41 HVMS- getting redundant, 7.0
Marder Spike- single Spike tube and a 20mm is pretty poor for 9.7. 9.3 would fit better IMO.
2A4CHL- 120 L55 with DM63… that’s functionally identical firepower to the 2A6. Both need at least .3 up in BR if not .7.
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M-60 while the chassis was the M50 it was classified as the M-60 HVSS armed with the 60mm HVMS cannon capable of firing APFSDS and possibly had NVD although unsure about this as there aren’t a lot of sources about the beautiful and last evolution of the Sherman.
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I see potential but if we don’t get rank I-III Israel with it, it would be paifull to grind those first 3 eras due to RP differences between in each vechicle and lack of vechicles to play in a lineup in early stage of the game
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Keep in mind that the Israeli 60 mm HVMS cannon is practically identical to the 60 mm OTO cannon of the BR 8.0 premium Italian AUBL/74 HVG, and can penetrate a Russian T-62 frontally at 2000 meters away, that is It is true that the damage would not be so considerable but the penetration is there, if you lower the BR too much on the Chilean tanks with that cannon they will literally be broken, they will be able to penetrate almost anything at low BR, the M24 HVMS it is true that It is an M24 but it is a low profile and fast tank and with that gun it is perfect for laying ambushes. It is not designed to fight frontally but to act more like a tank destroyer, shooting at long distances and in ambushes, the M-50 HVMS has a mode semi-automatic reloader developed in Chile and reloads in 5 seconds, managing to fire 12 rounds per minute which is faster than the Italian AUBL, it also has a better motor, passive IR periscope (infrared) and thermal sight so you have to take everything that in consideration to give it BR, in conclusion, you cannot put BR so low on the Chilean tanks with that cannon because otherwise they will be very broken.
Here are some projections of what the tank gun penetrates against a T-62 at 2000 meters
Regarding the Marder with spike, the penetration of the Israeli missile (800 mm) was taken into account, comparing it with the Soviet Shturm-S BR 8.7, which has the same penetration, only that I decided to increase the BR to the Marder since it has the machine gun that gives it more flexibility. in certain situations and the Marder is more mobile than the Russian, but it could have a BR of 9.3 as you suggest.
As for the Chilean Leopard, the BR was raised a little due to the better ammunition it has, the Chilean Leopard is currently in the process of modernization by the Turkish company Aselsan so it will have improvements in its shooting system, night vision, etc. The Chilean Leopard with the multispectral cloak had its BR increased more because it is difficult to detect and conserves the best ammunition. but as I explained at the beginning of this suggestion, the BRs are theoretical and can be changed
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The tank has different names depending on the source, but M-50 was what the Chilean army to which the tank belonged called it, so I used the official name in Chile.
Here is a photo of the insignia that these tanks wore where you can see the name
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The ranks from 1 to 3 in my suggestion is in the hypothetical case that Israel gets those ranks too, otherwise they can simply skip and start from rank 4, anyway this is a sub tree and the sub trees that are present in the game usually have important jumps in their BR, for example the Finnish subtree that jumps from BR 1.7 to 3.7 or the recent Hungarian subtree that also has jumps in BR. This Chilean sub tree has but the jumps are not that big, and in rank 3 of the Chilean sub tree you do not have to copy and paste, they are vehicles that are not in the game and 2 of them are built in Chile, in conclusion if Israel gets its Own vehicles of range I-III, these from Chile would be a good complement.
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Yeah it looks like I’ve underestimated the sloped performance of the M300. That being said, there are still plenty of vehicles at or below 7.0 with HEAT-FS or APDS (Charioteer) with similar or better performance at all angles. These vehicles are also all significantly more mobile than the M24 and most have better, albeit still poor, armour.
Considering this and with the M41A1 being 6.3 now (something I had forgotten about in my previous post) I think the M24 HVMS would fit best at 6.7. The M-60 would be 6.3 (it’s unstabilized, offering only muzzle velocity and reload advantages over the M-51) and M41 HVMS would be 7.7 assuming it’s twin-plane stabilized like the M24. Otherwise, 7.3.
The FV 101 Scorpion only has HE and a HESH shell with a relatively low muzzle velocity of 543m/s and 80mm of pen. This isn’t great especially considering the HESH nerf a few months ago. Combined with a maximum rate of fire of 6RPM (10s) I’d like to see it at 5.0 (reserve) TT. There it could form a lineup with the M-1 Sherman (M4A1 76) and M-50 (M4A4 SA-50) as the new reserve tier for Israel.
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I know that the Finnish tree has a jump to you have some other vehicles in the eras to help earn ex for the higher era vechicles. The subtree looks good but would either need other rank I-III tanks or to skip the first 3 eras
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Look at the insignia tank model. In that decal. The Gun is the CN 75-50/SA-50/SA-50 L/75 which are all correct names. This is because Chilie…wait no I’m hungry, I meant Chile bought the M-50 from the Israelis. So any designation they had for the tanks was before the gun was replaced. since the gun was originally the 75mm then over time they changed it to the 60mm HVSM.
So its official designation is still the M-60 as that is what the vehicle was named after.
M-60->Model-60->referring to the 60mm gun just like how the 50 was taken from the name of the 75mm cannon hense “M-50”. So your designations you likely created are probably correct as well. However, it is confusing since we know it as the M-60. Just like how we call the FCM 36 Conehead or the VFW the toaster. Nicknames for simply their appearance is how we ended up remembering that they exist.
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As I mentioned before, the BRs can be changed and in the event that Gaijin decides to implement any of these vehicles, they can change the BR as they want, the FV-101 Scorpion from Chile has a better engine, night vision scope and laser rangefinder to take this into account. I am also going to attach a photo with the HVMS 60 cannon ammunition and the Scorpion ammunition.
Ammunition and characteristics of the IMI HVMS 60 mm cannon:
Ammunition of the FV-101 Scorpion:
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Ah, a laser rangefinder changes things for sure.
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Regarding whether Chile has more IFVs, it actually has more but I did not want to include them because they have a similar armament to the Piranha 6x6 KUKA. one of them would be the M113 A2 with a 25mm Oerlikon KBA-B cannon and the other is the YPR-765 with a 25mm Oerlikon KBA-B02 cannon, there was also a Piraña 6x6 with a 20mm Oerlikon KAA cannon but I also did not want to add it so as not to have so many vehicles with similar weapons. They could also be added to this sub tree if desired. Regarding the BR of these 3 vehicles, I am not very sure but I accept suggestions.
M113A2 ABL KUKA
- Crew:
- 2 (driver, gunner and 12 soldiers.)
- Armament:
- Primary: Oerlikon KBA-B 25mm gun (KUKA turret)
- Secondary: 2 × Wegmann 76mm quadruple smoke launchers
- Dimensions:
- Length: 4.8m
- Width: 2.6m
- Height: 2.5m
- Weight: Combat weight 11.2 tons.
- Maneuverability:
- Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V-53T with 6 cylinders that develops a power of 275 CV at 2,800 rpm.
- Maximum speed: 60.7 km/h.
- Power/weight: 18.51 hp/t.
- Suspension: torsion bars.
- Transmission: Allison TX-100-1A automatic with three forward gears and one reverse.
- Fuel capacity: 360 liters.
- Autonomy: 480 kilometers.
- Slope: 60%
- Side slope: 30%
- Vertical obstacle: 0.6 meters.
YPR-765
- Crew:
- 3 (driver, gunner and commander, plus seven soldiers.)
- Armament:
- Primary: Turret and a 25mm anti-tank KBA-B02 cannon
- Secondary: two turret-mounted triple smoke grenade launchers.
- Dimensions:
- Length: 5.2m
- Width: 2.8m
- Height: 2.7m
- Weight: Combat weight 13.6 tons
- Maneuverability:
- Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V-53T that develops a power of 264 hp at 2,800 rpm
- Top speed: 61.2km/hr
- Transmission: Allison TX-100-1A automatic with three forward gears and one reverse
- Power to Weight Ratio: 13.69
- Suspension: torsion bars
- Fuel capacity: 416 liters
- Autonomy: 490 kilometers
- Slope: 60%
- Side slope: 30%
- Vertical obstacle: 0.6 meters
- Ditch clearance: 1.6 meters
- Rolling: Tractor tracks with five rolling wheels on each side, rear idler wheel and front drive wheel
Piraña 6x6 KAA 20 mm
- Crew:
- 3 (driver, gunner, commander)
- Armament:
- Primary: GAD-AOA turret with an Oerlikon KAA 20-mm Autocannon
- Dimensions:
- Length: 5.97 m
- Width: 2.5 m
- Height: 1.85 m (without weapons)
- Weight: Total combat weight: 10.500 kg
- Maneuverability:
- Engine: Detroit diesel 6V-53T
- Horse Power: 300 HP/2800 RPM
- Max. speed on roads: 100 km/h
- Speed in water: 10.5 km/h
- Gear box: Allison MT-653
- Type: Automatic
- Gears: 5+1
- Fuel tank capacity: 400 lts.
- Range: 1,200 km.
- Max. gradient: 70%
- Lateral inclination: 30%
- Maximum obstacle height: 0,5 ms
- Turning circle: 11,3 ms
- Additional system: fire extinguishing system that is activated in the engine once it exceeds a certain temperature. Amphibious capability.
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Chile also had a CARDEN-LIOYD MK VI that can be considered Chile’s first armored vehicle since it was acquired in 1936 and that could be added to this sub tree in the lower BRs, it had a .303 Vickers machine gun but was later installed in Chile a 57 mm M-18 anti-tank gun. anyway I leave the specifications here. If it were added as an anti tank in BR 1.0 or similar to that it would be a good addition and it would be a unique vehicle.
CARDEN-LIOYD MK VI
- Crew:
- 2 (driver, gunner)
- Armament:
- Primary: M-18 57mm
- Dimensions:
- Length: 2.46 m
- Width: 1.75m
- Height: 1.22m
- Weight: 1.5t
- Maneuverability:
- Engine: Ford T 40hp
- Speed: 40km/h
- Weight/power: 26.6 hp/t
- Suspension: bogie
- Autonomy: 140 km
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Still, in my opinion, it would make people buy premiums for it and the first eras would be pure grind to get anything higher tier without premium. Tho I like the idea of this subtree
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I added new vehicles along with their respective data and sources, added various paint schemes of many of the vehicles on the list and modified some BRs.
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I added a new premium vehicle along with its respective technical data and sources. In this case it was the prototype of the Marder 1A3 SLM modified in Chile by Famae to convert it into an infantry vehicle with 70 mm rocket launcher.
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I added the descriptions of each vehicle so that the people who read this suggestion have more information about these vehicles, such as the history, characteristics, modifications, etc.
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M-50 would refer to the tank however we all call it the M-60. Other it becomes confusing. Since the M-50 is associated with the M-50 Super Sherman tank used by Israel. I get your wanting to keep it consistent but honestly just put a /M-60 next to it otherwise your gonna have us keep asking for you to “add the M-60”
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