this is like asking for the Pershing to get 1000+ HP because in modern day people have slapped turbos and modern fuel injection on the GAZ V8 and got alot more power out of it.
L23A1 is quite a bit better than L23. You can now lol-pen the T-72A’s UFP.
Probably because this is part of the Sundance program not the Totempole program
Totempole was mostly standardisation, while Sundance was a later upgrade specifically about upgrading the L60 to improve reliability and power
a main part of Totem pole was legit fitting every last still in service chieftain model with the 760hp L60.
Yes, but later on the Sundance program later on upgraded their engines to a furthur standard
I know wikipedia isnt a great source, but I think it gets my point across
Totempole standardised them to 9A, then Sundance furthur enhanced them above Totempole
The Leyland source also specifics the Sundance program
7.5 → 6s will not only beat T-72 autoloaders but match T-64’s autoloader, also giving it an advantage against 105mm tanks at 6.7 seconds
L23A1 is better than L23 Any day, more spall, and a good deal more angle pen, you Will notice the difference
852ps (840bhp to metric) will sort that out on the Mk.10, 900 is already more mobile
indeed
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So ideally we would see a Mk.10 with L23A1, 850hp and a 6 second reload
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Probably a pretty strong 9.7.
Honestly i think if the TTD and Shir 2 can be 10.0, then 9.7 isn’t unreasonable
But they shouldn’t be 10.0 too, especially if the Shir 2 gets L23A1 and if (maybe) the TTD gets a 6.0s reload.
This is the problem with Gaijin’s compression, ideally the Shir 2 would get L23A1 and go to 10.3 but then it’s just a worse Challenger Mk.2
Hold on, i have OF THE ERA BOOKS, that say the Chieftain has 750-760hp.
First picture is from a book from 1996, second is from 1987.
WELL after any of these programs had happened.
Yet, its still listed as that rating, not this magic made up 800+ HP number that makes no sense, Because why would the Chieftain 900 even exist if they were making that much HP out of the L60? Especially the late L60s that were MORE reliable than the Engine in the 900.
Those are talking about the Cheiftain Mk.5, not the Mk.10, what is your point
Who cares when the book was published
Yeah, though from what I understand, the only things the Chally Mk.2 gets over the Shir 2 is thermals (with no ESS) and better gunner placement.
yes, but thermals are still a noticeable upgrade, which I think deserves it having a higher BR
However, it the Challenger Mk.2 dosen’t need to be 10.7
They are first hand, of the era sources, Not later sources without context from a Random leyland magazine that speaks of a program that i had NEVER heard of before outside of this forum, even in all my research into the Chieftains.
Also, the book from 1987 is talking about ALL Chieftains.
And with this book the Highest HP rating of the Variants is always used, So that 750hp is correct.
The ONLY Chieftains to get the 860hp L60s were the Recovery Vehicles, because again, THEY WERE LIGHTER, AND WERE ABLE TO USE THE EXTRA HP. Any extra HP in the actual MBTs, caused excessive strain on the Transmission.
I’m not really sure about that.
Gen 1 thermals isn’t a huge upgrade worthy of a 0.3 BR difference, especially considering it doesn’t get ESS.
Could you elaborate?
You think it’s overBR’d or underBR’d?
These sources are talking about the MK.5 Cheiftain, not the MK.10 as we are discussing
They also never state the actual L.60 Mark in the sources, it’s extremely vague
If you want to use them as sources, find a source that specifically states it’s talking about the MK.10/11
The Leyland source is not “random” it’s the the leyland society, from the company who literally made the engine.
It says “Developed in the late 1950s” which means it could be ANY Cheiftain, they probably just picked the most common number
It also states a company weight of 55 tonnes, which is the MK.5’s weight, not the 57 tonnes of the MK.10
the armour scheme on Chally is better iirc, Shir 2 is weaker against kinetic i think
For what? It’s Hull or Turret armour?
They seem the same to me – at least in-game.