I consider this the most handsome Chieftain variant. Without anything on the turret side it feels “naked”, but the infrared spotlight box always looked too bulky. TOGS is right in the middle just how I like it.
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I want this, but not as a separate tank. Just make a Mk 11 module with TOGS. Like the BMP-1 to BMP-1P.
No as the mk11 would have access to L23A1 and thermals.
It would be as a side grade more to Shir 1 than to the Mk10.
Alas the Mk10 really should have the L23A1 as well, as far as im aware L23 isnt a real round so they could theoritically be foldered at 9.3
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yeah then add L23A1 to the mk10 as well then, I mean it rightfully should have it.
However with the fact the mk11 has a slightly differnet togs mount and engine deck it would also need to be a foldered tank.
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This should already be ingame, its a crime not to add it
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What I heard is that L23 and L23A1 were both “real rounds”, however its a bit complicated.
What we have as “L23” ingame is an early version of L23A1, possibly a prototype or early production variant. The L23A1 we have ingame represents the actual L23A1 round.
Irl both would have been called L23A1, I cannot confirm if this is true its just what ive heard
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Ive seen folks say the same.
Ive yet to be shown a source for it unfortunately, which is why i tend to sway into the fact L15A5 is a far more potent round than that which is represented in game, and l23a1 was the active service round that replaced it.
To say L23 is a prototype round is opening a can of worms as a multitude of nations trialed rounds which never were adopted.
However this doesnt change the fact the mk11 chieftain used the L23A1 round so would inherently be 9.3 hell may even be 9.7 if so.
Hey muh chieftain being talked about.
I think the Mk.11 would be ok even if it was at 9.7.
The Shir 2 would still be better, but the Cheiftain would have thermals, a better round and better turret armour (against KE)
If it got:
- Thermals
- L23A1 (the real L23A1)
- its 840bhp engine
Then it would be fine at that BR, the Mk.10/11s turret armour is incredible and works even in 10.7, with the thermals and better round it would be pretty competant
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Yes among other issues.
Like the lack of acceleration
The Entire frontal armour layout is completely incorrect.
Fix these issues it would be a very decent tank in a 9.3-9.7 line up.
I was just looking at your Cheiftain hull armour bug report, hopefully gaijin pay attention to it
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They won’t. I have absolutely 0 faith and question why I even bother looking into these things lol.
They will probably be like not a bug (We don’t accept official documents unless we like the vehicle they would buff)
Or (We don’t think the vehicle could have such thick armour)
I could see them getting pissed over the use of tolerances rather than measures thickness of real vehicles, gaijin are gonna gaijin
I think it will get passed, but may just rot for years like the Chally 2 bug reports.
On another note, should the join between LFP and UFP on the Cheiftains not be a lot thicker ingame, as it is two relatively thick plates meeting and therefore it should be essentially both combined.
Sort of like that, as the plate overlap, and it should therefore not just be 100mm
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Not technically this just a joint. The upper cast gets placed onto the lower plate and from there what likely happens is they grove weld the entire joint.
We can observe that there are actually 6 cutout slot and grove type joints that connect the upper sides to the upper cast section. On the Cast inspection sheet.
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From the diagram it seems like the LFP slots into the UFP, maybe im misunderstanding it
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No that is correct. It doesn’t increase thickness though just makes it stronger and allows it to maintain its line of sight thickness until meeting the lower plate.
The upper cast overhangs a little from the lower plate.
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Looking at it again yeah that makes sense
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Yes otherwise you get the T55 joint that needs a stupid amount of weldment to get the required strength and thickness.
This is a T-34 but it’s the same fit up. To make it full thickness and strong you need to bevel the interior section of the plate and fully weld that until flush.
The Russians didn’t seem to understand this and therefore welds break as they so famously have on many Russian tanks.
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Does the 11 not sport new optics as well?
In all honesty the thermals and l23a1 combo is enough to warrant 9.7 in the eyes of gaijin.
Seeing as you brought up shir two, the l15a5 is wrong and should really no have access to l23/a1
So if l15A5 was made to be closer to what it should be then maybe could remove the l23.
I refuse to use the l23 with shir two out of the principle of it.
But yeah id lov3 to see more chieftains in the game tbh even if one was a premium, seeing as theres a plethora of them
It gets what the Chally 1 gets optics wise
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