Whoever does that really dont know what he is fucking doing obviously.Everyone knows that and cant do any shit about me thats what makes me mad the change is just stupid as you said.One of them problably got absolutely destroyed by a Type 5 and just pissed off thats all xd
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it could definitely be 4.0 it has no reason to be 4.3, the chi tos are good where they are
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Only the first Chi-To can I see being justified to be 4.3. The better slope armour of the Chi-To Late is actually quite usable.
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Unfortunately, the Chi-Ri is not the only WW2 tank that suffers from this problem, which I like to call the “German-vehicles-are-more-profitable-so-bias-it-is” complex.
VK 3002 (M) at 5.0, where it has the strongest gun and armor with a mobility unmatched by almost any medium tank up to 6.7-8.0? Whereas the KV-85 is at the same BR with an armor that was maybe relevant at 3.7, a gun that although good on it’s own, is nowhere near the long 75, and the mobility of the KV-1S or below? Hell, the M4A1 W (76) is at the same BR. The damn T-34-85, with the most vulnerable hull in existance, is at 5.7. The T-44 has a practical peashooter with the turret armor of a T-34 at 6.7, where it faces tanks it can do basically nothing to while they can wreck it down one-shot at 2km range. Don’t even get started with the Jagdtiger, Panther A and G, the totally fictional Tiger II 105 and Panther II, the fictional OP Coelian, the Tiger I (P) at like 6.0 and more and more. All of this while the M26 and the T-44 fight for their life against M48s and Mauses. Japan is simply the most radical case of them all.
I mean, you’d think… But there were people (even in this post) that said the DT was better when both were 5.0. It’s definitely feeling better, given it doesn’t face, to my last count, 12 or so vehicles which are well-liked and often used which are frontally immune to it’s gun if they’re aware of you. It only has to face the Sherman Jumbo in uptiers, unlike the Chi-Ri now which faces all 3 Jumbos, the USA T34, T95 (doom turtle), both King Tigers (the Nr 1-50 isn’t frontally immune, but you do have to shoot the center of the rounded bit of the turret or you will non-pen), Ferdinands, Jagdtigers, T-44s, SU-122-54, Tortoise… Yeah, it’s not looking good for the Chi-Ri. And it would be remiss not to mention the French with their M4A1 (FL10), 5.0, 12 round autoloader, almost 200mm of pen (solid shot, but good solid shot because France), which is surprisingly rare despite being quite good. Imagine being able to pen some of the above 6.7 vehicles but only being 5.0 compared to the stabilized 76 Shermans which can’t. In the case of the Shermans, stabilizer bias, but in terms of Chi-Ri, autoloader bias. At 5.3, the Chi-Ri could still at least cause some damage to some of the vehicles it would face in a full uptier without having to get side on in Hellcat territory (where flanking means being flanked).
I see what you mean, looking at things… But we all seem to know the German main syndrome: do dogshit, Gaijin sees, lower the BR.
The VK does have some good armor for 5.0… But the Chi-Ri casually UFPs it, just like most standard armor Shermans. Which does mean the Chi-Nu II and Chi-Tos and Na-To can too. The jump from 60mm to 80mm makes a difference.
The final note from me is I can definitely tell with Japan the complex is the most radical: The Ferdinand vs the Ho-Ri Production. Saw someone complain about it being broken, looked up the Ferdinand. Ferdinand has about the same armor, about the same gun but with a faster reload, a better reverse speed and slightly better side and rear armor. If you grab the Elefant, you get a nearly useless MG out the front, too. The difference beyond that? Ferdinand 6.7, Ho-Ri Production 7.3. There are people who say the Ho-Ri Production shouldn’t have that horsepower, but it should: just not from one engine. It, if I recall someone’s researched video on it, was supposed to have 2 of the same engine the Chi-Ri has. But my memory isn’t fantastic, I could be misremembering.
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No. whole Ho-Ri project (any variant that known) had 1 engine.
2 engines Ha-9 similar to Chi-Ri was in O-I tank
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I knew I was misremembering. Well, just goes to show. What I recall said that it was strange that the Ho-Ri could even fit two engines in a basically unaltered hull, so in all likelihood it, like you said, just didn’t.
You can just UFP it with most things at 5.0 and above
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*4.7
has a silhouette larger than a tiger, thin flat angled armor, roof armor that most cas can pen, subpar hull and turret traverse but has a faster reload when the loader isn’t knocked out and acceptable straight line speed and acceleration.
in terms of 5.7 performance worst than the rest against uptiers but good against other 5.7 and below tanks
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10 feet wide and 10 feet tall. Tiger 1 is 12 feet wide.
And all 5.7 mediums are bad in full uptiers.
T-34-85, Chi Ri, and M4 Sherman cannot deal with T26E5, Tiger 2, etc played of equal level.
The T-34-85 is at least mobile enough to get around them, and the Shermans have the stabilizer to possibly hit their barrel / track / cupola before they shoot.
I can’t say a 4.5s reload would really help to be honest.
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and the chi-ri is longer by 3-4 feet it dont matter when the tiger is still much more armored, and obviously they all do worse in uptiers. but as i previously mentioned it is the worst of the 5.7s against uptiers.
Edit: i will say i think it can be at 5.7 but not a good 5.7 vehicle.
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5.3 vehicle material.
it’s just so big and with just enough armor to always set off fuses perfectly, I mean it can work but man it’s a glass cannon, the mobility is oddly proficient for something so big though
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The VK has good top speed yes. But the rest of it’s mobility is modest at best. It only turns ok when going fast, and loses a lot of speed on the turns. Superior gun yes - but if it needs to turn the turret to aim it’s in trouble. It’s slightly better than the m10, and often requires turning the chassis as well.
You saying the T-34 has vulnerable armor is a bit odd. It bounces a LOT of shells. It’s not supposed to stand in front of the enemy and trade shots.
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Yeah mobility of T-34-85 and vertical stab on M4 variats make them from my experience playing them more viable then Chi-Ri, again fast reload is nice but for me less important then ability to relocate or be first one to shoot.
Also I would like to mention that Shermans and T-34-85 have capped APHE shells meaning they do better against angled armor then Chi-Ri basic uncapped shells
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I’ve definitely had some wonky shots bounce, if we ever get a t34-85 with the extra armor plate on the hull it could easily be 14.0 (joke)