I stay around 4-5000 meters where you don’t have a long trail behind you, fire at aircraft 10-15 kilometers away with AIM-7M, unless if it is an F-14 then you have to defend early game and wait for them to be distracted before engaging.
Well uptier as well, AMRAAMs just shoot u out instantly if u go that high, also need to mind the 60 CM and slow acceleration.
Mhm, this is true.
I was only playing the MLU because my friends only had 12.7
I only play it with my friend in 13.0, if I crashed my J11 and got it locked. J8F is quite expensive and I can’t be bothered to buy it.
That MiG-29 who is not in a squad with you has quite the name. Miracle he got all the way to the MiG-29 without having to change it.
Guy on the other team also has a pretty bad name.
People are certainly being people
which server?
Forgot, I queued many servers (CIS EU NA)
I have only met NestleKitkat in a sim match once. Apart from that guy I have never met anyone from the forums.
I have met quite a few and even have a list of some who I have killed, still hoping to find more
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I haven’t been looking out for u guys. Might start now.
I don’t get why the J-10A has such a huge increase in drag after Mach 1 ingame, the design of the J-10 was optimized for low supersonic drag for high-altitude interception, and yet the J-10A seems to perform really bad in terms of energy retention and acceleration at high altitudes.
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It has it’s own playstyle, but other than getting into to dogfights, the thing is really rough to play. I never knew how bad AIM-7’s were until I played that thing.
Hello, I would like to reach out to you guys and see what can be said about sources stating the J-10A is 9,750kg in empty weight. Currently the J-10A in-game is 8,300kg. This would mean that theoretically the J-10A is missing 1,450kg in-game or 17% extra weight. This would impact the performance of the aircraft severely and hence why I would like to post these images here and leave it for consideration if anyone perhaps has counter-sources before I bug-report it. An increase in empty weight for the J-10A would also theoretically apply to later J-10 variants.
Sources:
Spoiler
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Based on Chinese documentation and not magazines or books, yes.
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Yeah, I was hoping to see where the original documentation they had obtained was from. Gaijin has gotten empty weight of aircrafts wrong on many occasions.
Also, I was told that it is important to look at the aircraft’s maximum weight as well. Several sources state 19,277kg. But, the J-10A in-game does not have all of its IRL weapons such as perhaps anti-ship missiles which weighs considerably. Documentation on the weapons and their weight will also be required for the reports.
The most common empty weight figure of the J-10A is usually stated to be around 8840-8890kg. What is interesting is that Gaijin states this figure in their shooting range video as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIyl80-nGpQ&t=65s&ab_channel=WarThunder.Officialchannel.
The 9750kg figure is supposedly for J-10C, but I also doubt the validity.
J-10A MTOW should be 18600kg.
Most CN sources state 8800kg region.
https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1633498435060616213&wfr=spider&for=pc
https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1689577991034230089&wfr=spider&for=pc
https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1764747222515104866&wfr=spider&for=pc
However, some analysis by sources such as AFM and Sinodefenseforum report 8300kg.
There are some people with official connections to AVIC on Sinodefenseforum, so I wouldn’t count them out entirely. I’d imagine that this is where Gaijin got the 8300kg figure for the J-10A ingame.
At the same time, J-10A seems to have a substantial increase in drag right after Mach 1, the drag curve is pretty weird.
Especially the fuselage drag, the increase seems almost unnatural.
I think more research should also be done on this aspect as well.
The problem with Chinese aircraft is that since so little official information is revealed, most of it at the start is “guesstimates” and for the longest time 9750kg was used, probably as it was a parameter for the canceled J-9 project.
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I personally wouldn’t report this right now, for the sake of gameplay the J-10A is pretty balanced as of current, having notably worse flight performance compared to EFT, Rafale, and being comparable to the Gripen.
It already struggles at high-altitude in terms of acceleration and turn, which is quite strange as in real life the J-10A was designed to be a high-altitude interceptor and one that through wind tunnel testing/CAD, minimizes drag. Many aspects such as the delta wing dihedral came about as a result.
Not to mention that sources are all over the place and everything contradicts one and another.
No one reported the empty weight to Gaijin in the dev server when the J-10A figures were being made, I think they know more than us on this topic.
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