oh sorry, is my bad. I only checked your Air Realistic record and not your Air Simulator record. I apologize for my recklessness.
gsussy 23 moment 🥀
In Air Simulator, I believe that the J-10C has indeed made significant improvements compared to previous Chinese aircraft. There may be a misunderstanding between us, as both you and Kizvy seem to be players who are more focused on Air Simulator. I rarely play Air Simulator, so my understanding may be somewhat limited. I think in Air Simulator, the competition may be more about situational awareness rather than the intense 3-9 line attack and defense in Air Realistic. The relative intensity may not be as high, and you won’t encounter R77-1 and MICA-EM missiles coming from all directions.
soooooooooo exciting pictures!
But I believe that the battle was not equal. It is rumored that the Rafale fighter jet was performing ground strike missions rather than air superiority missions at that time. If both sides can engage in a battle for regional air superiority, I believe the final outcome may be more convincing.
Speaking of the radar, is the ESA TWS even working?
It only seemed to update targets when the search bar went over them for me today instead of the usual real time tracking.
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I think there are still some bugs. : (
I’m not sure if this problem exists on other planes as well. But in my experience, at least there doesn’t seem to be any problem with the F15C GE and European Fighter .
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even in arb its doing fine, in my second game of arb while still mostly stock i got a 6 kill game
Objectively speaking, I think the in-game J-10C is serviceable, but it is at a disadvantage when facing aircraft such as the Rafale, the Su-30SM2, and even the Typhoon (AESA), assuming players are of similar skill levels.This is different from the earlier in-game J-10A (early variant), which was once in a strong position when it was first introduced into the game.Even today, it still possesses an exceptionally good side-scan angle for a mechanically scanned radar, allowing it to operate along the enemy’s 3/9 line, pick off opponents, and conduct defensive counterattacks.By contrast, I find it difficult to identify any real standout features in the in-game J-10C.Any advantages it does have can be replaced by superior alternatives at BR 14.3,and those alternatives also offer better overall performance.I am not complaining that the aircraft is hard to play; rather, it is simply too mediocre—and in the current top-tier environment, I believe mediocrity means lacking a clear comfort zone of its own.
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It’s just fine, but like I (as well as many others) said, and as you have agreed, the radar was a sidegrade.
Plus the PL-12 stays the same old, the thrust wasn’t that much of an upgrade, considering its weight gain compared to J-10A. The most significant change was the loadout, but even that took the place of the ventral center disposable fuel tank. So I still wouldn’t put it as an upgrade worthy to bump its BR from 13.7 to 14.3.
Not that they mattered though, as J-10A stays mostly the same with my current playstyle as the J-10C against the Rafale and all. R-77-1 with its improved motor and seeker now pulls ahead of PL-12 as well, so the latter now is only better than vanilla R-77 and most AMRAAMs.
Does anyone know what the difference between YINGS-IIIA and YINGS-III 390 is? They look identical to me, but are definitely different from the YINGS-III 330, which has a different set of optics on the head.
Yings-III 330
R-77-1 doesn’t offer any upgrade to its seeker in WT
Completely agree. Though ‘just’ being serviceable is not enough for the 14.3 status. The J10C is simply not the answer to the EF, Rafale, or Gripen because it gets incredibly statchecked by their superior performance. It has absolutely no authority in engagements against those planes.
Tbh, no clue what those other 2 guys are on about. It’s not as simple as having a pair of wings and a few missiles. A 6 kill battle =/= a good plane. A high kill count in a single battle has tons of factors and does not solely demonstrate the capabilities of the plane. Vehicles have to be judged in relation to their peers; not anecdotal luck, enemy mistakes, or even just pure skill. Same goes for winrates.
“Completely fine” will not cut it and the J10C does not deserve the honorable title of “goated ass plane” for now. Gaijin has to be pushed when they make mistakes and when they overlook things. It doesn’t help when people enable Gaijin by settling for the bare minimum they try to sneakily get away with.
We’ll just have to wait until it gets the correct drag coefficients and domestic engine to match the real J10C. Perhaps even the PL12A. Until then, it’s going to have to remain in this limbo state of being a worse alternative to existing top tier aircraft.
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still hope we can see a 1200m’s dv PL-12, one of the most powerful missiles could be in game.
and just fix current PL-12, replace some low br PL-12 with early SD-10
Gaijin made some math tricks when they brought in ARH missiles, made every missile’s performance so similar that for straight moving target they almost arrive same time, this should be changed imo.
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well, well “a good plane” equal to 2 KD
yep thats easy to reach
then these also from grinding stock are the “god plane”?
no AI shot, mostly real person
never see anyone compare with these majorites (over half nation got in similar performance) now? Even the JAS39E may not, but the BR 14.0 with excullent radar is good enough for down tiered
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k/d is not an indicator for how good a plane is. personal experience is. And from personal experience one can deduce that the j-10c is competent for 14.3.
for example for k/d not mattering:
My k/d in the j8f is vastly superior to the one in the f-2. Does that mean the j-8f is the better plane? No, of course not. K/d can vastly change depending on match circumstances and opponents.
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Jas-39e is simply undertiered and should be 14.3 as well. 2 wrongs don’t make a right
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so u mean J10C is competitive with su30sm2 and AESA ef2000?
under same personal experience (just played in same person), KD is a good evaluation criteria for the most time. that can reflect a person’s combact style and the player’s skill of course. Under this same combact style from the same person, KD is the impact factor that influnced by the plane
also, of course J8F is the better in 13.0 with fox3s, HMD and decent radar
equipments just matter, just like the example of yours
F2A ADTW (NO FOX3) indeed has a better flight performance, but if there is a J8F lauching you a fox3 at least forced you to dodge meanwhile the fox1 is unlock therefore the J8F can get a better position
Now is the same, sm2, ef2000 (over ±100°) can locking you while they doing 39. more powerful engine, better radar, forcing you countinuing 39. Meanwhile J10C’s radar range (±70°) meaning you have to lose your energy when trying locking them
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yeah but their missiles other than su30sm2 don’t turn has hard as pl-12s. amraams you can go notch, turn back in and fire your pl-12. they cannot shoot amraams as off bore as your pl-12s. sure, once you get into a dogfight you lose. But pure missile jousting j-10c wins.