I was not saying you need to be a good tanker. You are just making strawmen arguments cuz you have no rebutle for actual arguments.
The point I was actually making is that, on average, more experienced players spawn CAS more, whilst less experienced players spawn CAS less. This is why it looks like your team sucks in matches with lots of CAS, it’s bc the best players aren’t on the ground.
If the goal is to spawn a plane, why even play GRB and/or GSB in the first place?
There’s much better game modes built for playing planes like EC SB.
GRB vs EC SB (Objective benefits of SB EC over GRB if you like flying planes):
Subjective benefit of SB EC over GRB:
Judging by the above, to re-iterate:
If one’s sole goal is to just… spawn a plane…
Why not just play SB EC in the first place?
I know that when I realized this is what GRB has devolved to, I stopped playing GRB and just stuck to ASB with the occasional GSB match (i hate the line-up system. It doesn’t even do anything about keeping things historical or solving IFF issues…) instead.
Per your claims, there’s zero reason to play GRB that isn’t better served by dedicated air modes.
Your mistake is thinking spawning a plane is the only goal.
The goal is to get kills and win the match. Spawning a plan early is a means to that ends, not the ends itself.
As for the rest of what you said, not everyone like simulator or has time for enduring conflict. GRB matches are a faster pace and the “Realistic” mode strikes a nice balance between Arcade’s casual nature and Simulator seriousness.
Because spawning a plane isn’t a goal, it’s a response.
And yet, you said you would first-spawn-rush a plane. A plane for a game mode that is horrible for dogfighting in due to the listed reasons (short time, ticket drain, airspawns, post stamp sized map that has airfield AAA in your nose for doing basic air combat tactics).
Why would you make yourself suffer all that?
And Enduring conflict’s nice part is you can join and leave at any time. Goodness knows there’s nights I just go in for a 30 minute sortie and then leave with satisfaction.
And if SB is still too scary… there’s ARB. ARB sucks because again - awful mission design, small maps, games ending too quickly - but at least it mostly solves the “Enemy airfield is within 8 km of the map and shoots you to pieces for chasing an enemy for less than 1 minute or for trying to create separation in the slightly wrong direction” and “enemies phase into reality from thin air” issues.
One that only inflicts suffering on everyone involved. Both those who like planes and heavily dislike even ARB for its claustrophobic nature and are forced to spawn a plane rather than tanks they looked forward to, and the tanks who cant do anything about it.
Because its not about dogfighting, thats CAP not CAS. Though I have had some really fun dogfights in GRB.
The goal of spawning a plane early is to use it to destroy opposing tanks, usually with bombs but sometimes with cannons and/or rockets too. At higher BRs missiles become a thing.
The only people I make suffer are the opposing players. That’s the point of combat in general.
ARB does suck and there’s no player controlled tanks to destroy. Just AI tanks that arent as satisfying.
What is so hard to understand about the fact that some people enjoy bombing player controlled tanks in a plane, as well as the dynamic aspect of possibly having to contend with opposing planes in the process?
And here we have it.
Some people don’t want to die to something they can’t defend against, what is so hard to understand?
IT’S ALL POWER PLAY! I KNEW IT!
Why is this treated like a big reveal?
I like playing CAS, I like revenge bombing, I like playing low BR games to seal club new players. These are fun things I enjoy doing and I’m not alone. Deal with it.
And some people like fair fight in tank vs tank combat.
If War Thunder isn’t providing that experience for you, I suggest you look elsewhere instead of demanding War Thunder change to suit you.
Like a new gamemode for people after so many years wont change much.
Not to mention that with new gamemode people who like what You like would be playing the mode with You, there is no issue.
If it wont change much then not adding it isnt a big deal.
Just like prey is a crucial part of the ecosystem, people who don’t know how to CAS are important to GRB.
Going back to this, theres a quote in military circles.
“If you’re in a fair fight, you didn’t plan it properly.”
– Nick Lappos, Chief R&D Pilot, Sikorsky Aircraft.
In a military combat game a “fair fight” is the result of poor tactics.
But don’t fret, I have a solution for you. Get all the anti-CAS guys together and set up a series of custom lobbies tuned just the way you like them.
You really have to act like that right?
It wont change much for people who like combined aspect of the Game and will allow players who like tank vs tank combat to have it.
You can just say „I like free frags”
That would just end all this nonsense discussion as it all comes down to It That You don’t want easy gameplay to go away
It will change in the sense that there will be overall fewer players to fight.
And as I said above, the option to create a series of custom Tank vs Tank lobbies has always been there. Why not utilize it?
Because why people should play custom battles of they could be normal games?
If there was only few people who enjoy tank vs tank combat then adding a mode wouldn’t change much for You. You have to Pick if You belive that it would divide playerbase or that only few people want it
If War Thunder was accurate to actual war, every early top-tier US vs Soviet match would end like this
Because they aren’t normal games now, so if the choice is to either not have them at all, or make them yourself, making them yourself seems pretty good to me.
Furthermore if you banded together and made a series of custom lobbies, then demonstrated that they are routinely populated, it would send a much stronger message to Gaijin than “anti-CAS thread #1937473” on the forums ever could.
Making custom lobbies and playing in them would not only scratch your tank vs tank itch, it would give you a better chance of seeing a real TO mode.
Can anyone provide an actual reason not to do this?
He said in a discussion about a multiplayer game.
Or ask for them and that is what they are doing.
Lmao
You have already explained Your point and why You think that way, no point in further discussion.