In PvPvE bomber would still have to compete with fighters, lol. No one wants a dumb PvE mode.
No, because bombers didn’t and still don’t serve any purpose in the game and contribute absolutely nothing to the gameplay value. Also, the previous model is more realistic than the current one/
I don’t understand how flying in a straight line for 10 minutes just to press the spacebar a few times is anything close to “playable” regardless of how many bullets you soak up
Well guess what? ARB in its current iteration is PvP. Not only did bomber yappers did nothing to ask for a better mode, from this thread alone its clear you all just want to shoehorn it into the current strictly PvP environment.
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PvE and PvPvE are two completely different things
Sounds like they need a gameplay change or something…
I don’t understand how driving in a flank and hitting enemies with ratatatatatattaa is anything close to “playable”.
Not like it can be changed…
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Like even the nuke thunder mode, as bad as it devolved to its current state, came to be because people genuinely wanted a mode that attack aircraft had more role in the game than they could be in ARB. Considering that was implemented but a new bomber mode wasn’t, it is only more clear to me that bombers don’t inherently want to change anything other than being able to kill other players in an OP aircraft.
And wanna guess why it devolved into PvP? Because more players wanted it so. There’s a reason base bombing as a victory condition no longer exists at jet tiers - a majority wanted the mode to strictly be pvp.
Have you ever played a video game before? this is what most games are like nowadays. you shoot someone. pretty big change from flying straight and watching instagram on your phone instead of playing the game.
I used to be a bomber main. I would set my bomber on course, do some math homework, check back in 5 minutes, press spacebar, die. repeat. It is this lothargic style of gameplay that you are somehow championing over actually trying to interact and engage enemy planes.
Idk, i suggested a nuke thunder for 5.0-8.3
No, it is because of F4 rocket truck can end the match very easily
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5.0 to 8.3??? are you insane??? do you have any idea how stupid of a BR bracket that is?
Good, then I’ll consider this as you doing more than 99% of player bombers. That’s a good thing, btw
He could simply mean a nuke thunder type mode for aircraft of that BR range. The brackets would still be 1 BR separation each.
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No? Games in general are about taking your fictional role and playing according to it. Tell that to those who dig trenches in Foxhole or drive supplies in arma or something.
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the fact of the matter is that bombers don’t fit in any game mode. so we need to find a way to make a new one that they can be more enjoyable in.
making them artificially indestructible does nothing to solve the problem.
Considering they nerfed rocket damage for F-4 base bombing before removal of base bombing as a win condition for jets, I’ll say that’s not the case.
No, there were 2 brackets - 7.0-8.3 and 5.0-6.7. I just merged them in this comment.
Also, seems like, Gaijin made nuke thunder just regular ±1.0 thing, so, 7.0-8.3 and 5.0-6.7 are just “ai units brackets” as we have with 8.7-10.0 and 10.3-11.7 where ai units are changed between 10.0 and 10.3, iirc
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The base change years before the rocket nerf
My mistake then. But if F-4 were the only reason, they wouldn’t have removed that win condition for all jet tiers. Like I said, ARB increasingly became more PVP oriented because a majority who played it wanted it. It’s that simple.
Just like terrible, small grb maps. We think of them as trash, but a majority of players want quick action that fits in with their time. And this is how it went.
Gaijin does bad changes, but those changes are always “what the player demanded” in a sense.
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It is all FFAR Mighty Mouse. It used to be a main source of grinding
And F-4 rocket bombing didn’t exist outside F-4C, F-4E and F-4J/S now did it? But base bombing condition was still removed as low as 6.7. Like I said, it’s not just because of rocket bombing.
Not to mention afterwards they added napalm bombing, which is objectively better since 2 napalms weighed a lot less than rockets. Creating a new generation of base bombers.