The main suggestion for the buffs were to allow heavy bombers to be usable again not have every bomber in the game have the same playstyle. The main dm buffs we wanted was the B-17, B-29, TU-4, B-24, PB4Y etc. The other ones were the devs own accord which is not what we wanted in the first place and have been implemented quite sloppy and now causing issues in the game.
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Heavy bombers maybe, but this should not be happening
This is but 1 of many examples i have since the update of this happening
While partially true, we cant just give some Previously selected bombers the new DM and leave the others behind, that would be somewhat of a bias.
And while some planes dont deserve to get their New DM such as the TIS MA due to Balance reasons, It up to the developers.
I think the DM models wouldn’t be an issue if they actually listened to the feedback on the DMs in the first place. People already said aircraft like the TIS MA and SU-8 should not have the damage model considering the issues they were causing before hand when APHE got added. The main issue is they don’t reply to the people giving feedback half the time and the feedback feels very vague when they do make changes. The main thing the devs need to do is actually read what the playerbase say on these dm models and hope that the survey puts into perspective on what needs to change in the next update or in the next patch before the next update.
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P38, beaufighter, mosquito, BF110, brigand, P61, DH Hornet, firefly, firecrest and dozens other didnt get these buffs.
its not a conspiracy to look at the reality of the situation, a cherrypicked vehicle to get a buff is still cherrypicked in order to make it perform even better against the average of its peers.
its also not like the TIS MA wasnt already incredibly toxic and is now a guaranteed win for a team if one gets spawned into GRB or anything is it?
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Me and a couple friends tried running 4.7 its literally just unplayable if you are not with russia
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Reasonable, even if they needed to remove the DM from those specified aircrafts, they will possibly add another update to all aircrafts where they make a detailed ( not Structurally stronger ) Damage model for all aircrafts in the game to be presented and equalized between WT and real life simulation, or close to it.
I have no issues with the other bombers like the B-17 etc, they were deserved in the first place and honestly made them fun to play. However the attack aircraft that got them while others got put into the dust shouldn’t of happened and should be reverted.
I used to play 4.7 specifically to hunt TIS MA players as they were so common and predictable. I cant anymore as none of my vehicles have anything that can destroy them unless i commit to the bit and do a FOX-4 and just ram the sod out the sky. My vehicles of choice also got moved up to 5.0 because a fighter with little to no ground strike capacity is clearly too OP for 4.7
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agree 100% but all strikers should get their own buff but not to the bomber level
So in my personal opinion point of view, they can just add this structural integrity DM from the Su-8 and the TIS MA and make it to all the Strike aircraft, so there will be no bias, just an opinion, but may vary between us.
However, They can fix it in ways that is suitable in the eyes of the developers, since we as community we just suggest and they implement, we only can suggest improvements for their implementations or correction of their work.
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P-38, P-61, hornet, firefly, firecrest (technically) and BF-110 aren’t bomber based.
Its a rocket, fragmentation warhead with more than hundreds of shrapenls, of course it could do that, however the guns have a very specific explosive mass, at specific velocity and angle of attack which can be deflected or Detonated in a way or angle or altitude or at specific armor thickness or at a specific placement of the aircraft that wont damage it catastrophically.
quite interesting image.
neither was the Polikarpov TIS. Its setting a standard which is being very favourable to certain vehicles rather than a blanket buff for all.
No one claimed they are. It’s about bringing other planes to higher durability (edit: not to bomber). And those planes are larger than some, and should be more structurally sound.
And as pointed out by others, TIS MA and Su-8 got buffs, so similar aircraft should receive buffs aswell.
It’s not a very big rocket.
We also have planes with shells bigger and heavier than it:
And yet neither of these do anything CLOSE to what we see there. These weapons were designed to shatter the structure and cause an immediate catastrophic structural failure.
But in-game:
a lot of words to say nothing of value
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a lot of aircraft really need a survivability buff no matter their class. theres jet fighters which will lose a wing to 2-3 .50 cal hits. Last time i checked a jet fighter isnt made of wet paper, neither is a TIS MA made of solid tungsten
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lol i posted a video here were apparently a single .50cal bullet from a bombers turret blew off the wing of my Bf 109, at the root of the wing too. Hit the trailing edge, or the wing at a very high angle of impact. from ~600 meters away.
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thats cus bomber take reduced Frag damage