Last I checked B52s had all crew inside with 4 of them not even having windows to shove cameras out of and the 2 which do have windows being busy flying the plane, youre not gonna get ww2 style pictures out of these more modern aircraft because this isnt the 40s with waist gunners and room for extra dudes running around with cameras lmao.
But keep hammering away at that point pal, just makes it look like youve got nothing else to go after
Yo. This
do you have a source then
You were the one who asked for evidence of a large bomber being broken apart by gunfire when I asked you for evidence of the SA-2 hitting a B-52 and it surviving.
What’s the matter, no sauce?
There are countless examples of new damage model bombers not taking any damage from direct collisions. It is because the developers just upped the hit points required to do damage.
Like all of the guys complaining about hit point system instead of realism…the damage model is just a hit point system slightly disguised.
On one hand, I do like that idea
On the other I am afraid of the spaghetti code hi-jinks this could unleash and how that might end up messing up flare resistance
It without a doubt would be a buggy mess, because Gaijin…
But I dont really see how it would change anything in regard to flares in most cases.
Especially as CM pods on something like a B-52 would probably be setup IRL to provide better protection around the hotspots anyway. So might even be a nerf in that regard.
Then a further further thought, this could also be used to simulate IIR Missiles going for the cockpit
Its different, because the era Im asking you for is the era of mass guncams and newsreels between two foes who kept very good documentation and footage of encounters. If there is a fighter blowing a bomber to bits, there will be guncam footage of it, thats fantastic propaganda material. ESPECIALLY if its literally crumbling to pieces war thunder style
You are asking me for footage of missile combat from foes that were fighting in caves supported by a foe where you go missing for giving bad news to the higher ups (communism), and the other side of that engagement, as I said, had no opportunity to record the incident outside of reports because, well, 4/6 crew members had no windows, and the two that did are too busy flying the plane
Basically, the americans werent able to record it on tape
And the commies, assuming they did, probably werent too keen on sharing their failure.
cool so it didn’t happen
I know, but what I’m getting at is this has been an issue before as you can have two aircraft go super sonic, smash into one another, and pop out the other side. I’m sure the metric to calculate aircraft impacts is different from weaponry hitting one another.
I literally talked about this for years that you’re going to have segments of aircraft unbreakable because they were never modeled to break. I brought it up recently as well.
By that logic your bomber breakup from air based cannon fire didnt happen cause you cant find widely available recordings
Why would the B-17 gunners be recording another bomber while they’re getting shot at? Why would the attacking aircraft stick around for so long to see if an intially small fuel tank fire spreads and causes a catastrophic failure?
The same excuses you made for 30 years later somehow nobody having a camera apply here.
You could also try to find some kind of after-action report on it (it’s your claim, burden of proof is on you).
You think it was the gunners recording?
Brother never heard of USAAC Combat Camera Units
Literally an extra cameraman along for the ride whose job is to record lmao, and this wasnt even an issue in a B17, there was room for him, AND THERE WAS WINDOWS FOR HIM TO LOOK OUT OF! A b52? everyone has an ejection seat and a designated spot, there isnt really a spot for the extra dude, and even if there was, theres no windows for him to record out of
A simple google search “Yo who tf was holding the camera in B17s during ww2” could’ve saved the embarrassment
So I’ll take it you have zero evidence showing an SA-2 actually hit a B-52 and didn’t destroy it? cool
not to mention SA-2 was command detonated and the strong ECM could easily cause the targeting radar to miscalculate the range and detonate the missile well outside of its kill radius
the clownshow continues btw
Night fighters used upward-firing cannons to shoot up into bombers, making them much harder to see and react to, in addition to being much easier to target parts like fuel tanks much more easily. A Bf 110 G-4, with a single ammo load, was very much capable of taking out several 4-engine bombers with this method.
meanwhile on dev it does nothing lol
Operation Linebacker 2 had B52Ds with lacked proper ECM and B52Gs who did, most losses with B52D,
“Ninety-three B-52s hit targets
near Hanoi using the same approach and
tactics. Two were damaged but none were
downed.”
“On Dec. 20, six B-52s were shot down
and another was severely damaged, within
nine hours, resulting in 16 airmen killed
in action and nine becoming POWs”
" The fi rst cell, call sign Quilt, lost Quilt
3 to an SA-2 that struck the bomber on its
post-target turn. Two cells made it through
safely. A second B-52—Brass 2—was hit
and heavily damaged making the same turn,
and its crew abandoned ship on reaching
Thai airspace. Two more cells dropped
their bombs without loss. Then two missiles hit Orange 3. It exploded just before
bomb release"
“Then came wave three, “the second
half of the nightmare,” according to McCarthy and Allison. A SAM hit Straw 2,
the fi fth aircraft of the wave, on the turn.
It was abandoned over Laos, and most of
its crew was rescued. Only a few minutes
later Olive 1 went down, destroyed after
bomb release. The majority of its crew
became POWs. Tan 3 lost its bombing
and navigation radar and struggled to
keep up with its cell. Several SAMs hit
the airplane as it neared the target. Only
the gunner managed to bail out before the
bomber exploded.”
“Of note, none of the downed G model
BUFFs had been upgraded with the more
capable ECM system that roughly half the Gs in the region had received.
Four of the losses and the one
damaged aircraft were hit in
the post-target turn”
"“You can see them launch, it is night, you can see the burst,” says Arcuri as he describes the SAMs heading toward them.
Two SAM missiles explode, shredding Quilt 3’s frame with shrapnel. For a brief moment Quilt 3 maintains a straight-and-level flight speed with eight good engines, but Arcuri realizes they are leaking fuel fast and he attempts to move the fuel to the undamaged tanks."
"“All of a sudden, all of the red lights come on,” Arcuri says. Quilt 3 has lost all hydraulics and there is no more human control of the massive B-52.
“We were in a 3,000 feet-per-minute decent,” Arcuri says. Fortunately for him and the crew, the aircraft’s elevators freeze in a position that allow the B-52 to briefly glide.
Arcuri remembers his pilot Geloneck looking at him and saying, “This is it!”
Together they agree to order the crew to bail out; in trained order they initiate the sequences.
“I remember turning my head as his (Geloneck’s) hatch blew. One minute he’s sitting there (Arcuri snaps his fingers), then he’s gone… like David Copperfield,” Arcuri chuckles. He describes the ejection process as being equivalent to sitting in a ballistic seat on a case of dynamite as it detonates.
“It’s all in slow motion, it’s true, and it seemed like this was forever,” Arcuri says. He describes his last few moments alone in the plane. As far as he knew, everyone has bailed out.
He pulls back the throttles.
“I was the last person on her, I had about 20-30 seconds of flying the B-52 before I bailed,” Arcuri says with a laugh. In essence, he believes he is one of the few if not only person who can claim to have flown a B-52 solo, even if it’s just for a couple of seconds.
“At that moment there is a big explosion on the right wing,” Arcuri says. A missile or anti-aircraft round jolts the aircraft. “I look up to make sure the hatch has popped,” Arcuri said.
He believes his altitude is around 28,000 feet and estimates the bomber must be moving about 500 miles an hour, not a safe bailout speed. Arcuri realizes he has to get out. He reaches up, squeezes the trigger and with a loud brief explosion he is out of the plane and tumbling toward earth."
Awful lot of mentions of B52s eating missiles and limping back to friendly airspace before the crew bailing out, Quilt 3 ate two and the plane didnt even break apart until the 3rd one. And these are all 130kg warhead SA-2s. Your turn
I wish Schräge Musik cannons were easier to use
The concept is so cool, but the implementation in-game makes them almost impossible for me to use them
Unironically they are awesome in sim, especially against british bombers lacking belly turrets
When I tried the Schräge Musik for some test I did, they were actually easier to use in 1st person than 3rd person. One of the reason were the way the camera moves between the two aims, with the one in 3rd person being very disorientating when it switches between the views.
They’re easier on the Ki-45 since the angle is much lower. Didn’t help that these B-29s are flying such a tight course. It takes time to line up.
-something that does not happen on dev
S-75 was comically inaccurate