Changes to Bomber Survivability Feedback and Discussion

mfw the fire extinguishers extinguish fires

I (mostly) agree, and that is something that should be changed. Likewise the fuel tank self-sealing shouldnt be infinite

How many fire extinguishers do you think each engine has?

I haven’t seen anywhere as many fuel fires as should be happening. Even a direct hit from 75mm HE didn’t do it despite a dozen or so hits.

They are a little too good in-game I think. There is a limit to what they can actually extinguish

There is an engine on fire, and then there is engine engulfed in-flame.

Let alone they should have a limited amount, and fires just going out passively too

Yeah. Oliver tested 40mm HE hits and self-sealing was stopping the fuel leaks too.

Let alone the whole fact that their models are probably too small as well ]

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Those B-17s sure look weird.

B29 is supposed to be stronger
Also I cant use mission editor on a jet I dont own

He is talking about an early Aim-4 Falcon with a warhead about half the size.

And even when talking about missile damage generally, I have found it can be a little inconsistant with the new damage model, so hes not entirely wrong that the model needs refinement.

Though the first change I would make is having IR missiles target the hot part of the airframe (the engines) and not the tail. Would help a lot

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Is there a jet ingame with this early falcon

Yes, more sections and ofc missiles going for engines, though thats a missile rework thing more than a bomber rework

I like Umamusume too dude.

Oh, you mean the missile

All gaijin did was no-shit just increase the values of HP on the modules of the aircraft. THAT’S IT.

Fire at the wing tips of the B-29.

It’s going to break and snap off. Because it’s programmed to break and snap off.

In the datamines, gaijin purposely made the wing tips weaker because they were trying to stop players from just getting blown to pieces and instead make it where you need to strike the modules but you could still snap wing tips.

It’s technically more “realistic” now but not in the autism accuracy way that some people wanted.

If they made these areas snap, they would need to remodel the entire aircraft to break right there as well because they were NEVER DESIGNED TO SNAP THERE.

Congrats, this is what happens when you have a game almost old enough to drive have major changes to it’s damage modeling that really showcase what’s modeled and what isn’t.

Like if you extract the B-29 model? You can find parts and components that break off. The inner wings are not just ‘not programmed’ They aren’t even modeled. So you would have to remodel EVERY SINGLE MULTI ENGINE AIRCRAFT

No.

but he is using an IRL source of one impacting a B-17 to evaluate the damage model.

Though with the current state of hte damage model (a few large parts) I think the results will never be usable, even if there was. CRV7 rocket pods on something like the Harrier Gr7 was the closest I could find to the desired warhead in the British tree at least

So basically this bomber rework is a stopgap

Just got four hits for no kills, crazy. Sounds like you just reset until you got lucky.

I know. A datamine showed some parts got a +900% increase.

Hydra-70s have 1.19kg HE.

“I reset still I got lucky” Ok lemme post the entire clip you little baby, gimmie a sec to upload

Anything in the British TT with H-70s?

Edit; F-18s

No but you can grab the purcara with mighty mouses, ima do that shortly too, though its heat… eh close enough

no cap fr fr.

Basically. They physically cannot fix this without dumping extraordinarily large amounts of money into it. And arguing realism at this point is dumb when right now we just need “good enough.” Because “Great” will never be possible because the game was never designed to break bombers the way they’re meant to break.

Honestly, the damage model changes would work better for FIGHTERS of all things. But then they would need to overhaul how ammunition worked.

I have such a large smile on my face because it’s forcing people to confront issues KillaKiwi and I bitched and moaned about for years.

Worst part is, you can’t go “Well, we’ll make new aircraft have a different damage model and work it back to them.” because then you’ll have some aircraft playing by COMPLETELY different rules in terms of damage modeling.

“I just got 4 hits ur cheating u reset” Nawwwwwwww cuhhh you just SUCK at this gaaaaaaame