Changes to Bomber Survivability Feedback and Discussion

Buddy, please don’t get me wrong, I’m just curious, would it be possible for you to share the source?

I’ll see if I can share it on a file site. DTIC website is down currently.

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Okay buddy thx

Also some i did some test of SPAA & SAM in the test drive against the bombers.

Honestly, it will be a lot harder for a lot of the SPAA to be able to bring the bombers down in Ground Battles, especially if you have to try to stop them from being able to kill ground units.

It can really be problematic against the three USSR strike aircraft with 45mm APHE that also got the updated bomber model. Meaning that you are near guaranteed dead as a SPAA if they try to go for you, while the might be able to return to base a repair if they were heavily damaged. Other very strong CAS aircraft that have the updated damage mode, that will then also be hard to kill will be the Ar 234, Ju 288, Tu-2, Pe-8 & Lancaster.

Sky Sabre vs IL-28

Where it one shots it, which happend most of the time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAKp9lXgpk4

However I also had it where it failed to kill the IL-28 in one missiles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn7QL9CwUEE

Stormer HVM vs IL-28

Note it only finally died when the pilot died. It could maybe have died later on with the fire, however IL-28 do have EFS so it would be able to extinguish the flames instead of letting the go out by themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpw-_VNvClo

FIM-92K Stinger against IL-28 (Do have proxy fuse)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XD1y1_vw78

FIM-92E Stinger against IL-28 (Does not have proxy fuse)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP-C-SlgtJI

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Ostwind II vs SB 2M using M.Gr.18 with 108g TNTe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIjuKFqwW-g

Skink vs He 111

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej9dyZgrwjg

BTR-152D vs He 111

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klxNcGAvAoM

BTR-ZD vs He 111

Honestly, it was actually hard to try to kill it, by not causing a detonation of its bombs, but instead trying to kill it by structure damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAzUz__BXIg

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It’s gonna be pretty hard to stop the nukes at the B-29 BR range and the Canberra range could also end up having a significantly easier time delivering the nukes

I really hope they undo the change that prevents nuclear bombs from being destroyed

Other than that, I’m not really worried about bombers being harder to kill in GRB

That is actually true, didn’t even think about that the nuclear bombers also gets the updated bomber model, and will be nearly impossible to down before they reach the battlefield.

its Gaijin, they’ll probably forget about them

Prove it, show sources lol

When did I claim that?

This is vastly more accurate than 99.99% of real pilots ever were

lol

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you can even see the hit decal on this last one

I’ve also hit their engines numerous times which the survivorship bias illustration says is not survivable

As the other player requested, Air Targets. Except on Bf 110 which got a full load of the new SAPHEI shell.

On previous runs I’ve used a mixed belt and it was almost identical. The spar will not break off.

I will try it later.

and MY aim was said to be bad lmao

This is a Bf 110 G-2 that has run out of 30mm ammo and only has the 20mm chin guns left.

How do I know this? The Bf 110 G’s gun camera is on the upper part of the nose, right between the two 30mm cannons. But we see tracers coming from below only.

cool

how many hits was that

Remind us all, how many guns does the MiG-15 have?

With these changes it might turn out to just be plain impossible to down a B-29 before it arrives at the battlefield. Maybe with a ram? A head-on ram into one wing should impart sufficient energy do something.

This reminds me that ramming still appears to do basically nothing, which shouldn’t be the case. At minimum some ramming damage to the wing should cause uneven lift and you know, physically jolt the plane around.

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I dont see how any bomber could withstand a fighter crashing into it IRL.

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I mean yeah but with the arguments people are having here I bet someone is gonna try pulling a “yeah bombers could actually tank a fighter hitting their tail no problem”

Yeah. Probably :D

Firstly,the weapon fired by the first aircraft in your first video is the Japanese 30mm Type 5 cannon. The rounds used by this cannon are far less destructive compared to the German Minengeschoss , as they only carry around 38 grams of HE explosive filler German Minengeschoss has 70~ gram He

In the rest of the video, the rounds fired from the Type 99 Mk 1 cannon are once again underpowered compared to the German rounds. While these rounds contain only 10 grams of explosive filler, the Germans used 18.6 grams of HA 41 explosive, which significantly increases its damage factor compared to the rounds fired by the Type 99 cannon.

If you watch your video carefully and slow it down to 0.5x, you can clearly see that the rounds fired from the far left and right actually missed the fuselage entirely, while the ones that did hit only struck the tail section. I won’t deny that some of your rounds hit the upper section of the aircraft, but in the first report I shared, we can see aircraft where pilots like you dealt damage to that exact same area and the bombers still managed to return to base. Keep in mind that the rounds you hit with were only 20mm. Furthermore, as discussed above, it was pointed out that there are certain flaws in how the game’s shell mechanics work—though I don’t know how accurate that is myself, I just wanted to point it out.

As for the fourth clip/image, as stated in the USSBS (United States Strategic Bombing Survey) documents, 20mm cannons deal significantly less structural damage and carry a far smaller HE payload compared to 30mm cannons. Because of this, I highly doubt that just 2-3 rounds of 20mm would ever be enough to split an aircraft like that clean in half.

Also, in the 4th image, you can see that the 30mm rounds hit the engine, while the 20mm rounds fired from the sides went into the fuselage or the tail section—at least, that’s what it looks like to me. And as I mentioned, there were plenty of aircraft that sustained this kind of damage and still made it back to base.

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Guys, I want to sleep. Please write to me later if you’re going to text me. Don’t misunderstand me, it’s not arrogance or haughtiness, I just want to sleep.

Also, in the video RoyalWaffles shared, there is a clip from the previous dev server version where he was blowing up and snapping wings off using the MK 108 and MK 103. Honestly, I’m surprised you couldn’t manage to do the same, though I seriously doubt you even know what (AoA) is, or if you’ve ever even played a low-BR fighter.

And going ahead and picking the absolute worst-quality clip with the worst aim as your example is laughable. You could have actually looked at the other video I posted, but whatever, no problem.

Buddy, to claim that the rounds were coming from the far right and left, you must not have even watched the video, bruh.It is beyond obvious that the video was shot from somewhere above the engine.

Who tf was talking about a mig 15 beforehand? Alao Mig 15s got 23 and 37s and b29 were taling passes in korea, were they happy about it? Hell no, but they were COMPLETELY screwed just yet

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Buddy, could you perhaps repost the video where you previously broke the wing of a plane with the MK108, or would you like to make a tutorial about it? Someone might need it.

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Db7 and mb 162 are gonna be some cracked fast bombers, db7 (A26B) already survivable at its br i think its gonna be a monster with its other British A26B counterpart

Look, you don’t have to believe me, but I respect what you wrote—it’s really clear you put effort into it (even if you guys accuse me of using AI). But I think sometimes you need to consider what the other side is saying too; at least what I’m saying, or what I’ve been watching, makes sense to me.

Furthermore I want to state again that I wrote what I did by watching your video and slowing it down. I’d also like to point out that this damn game has an issue where rounds don’t actually hit where they are going, and I know people have made posts about this.