The back of the plane is structurally the most rigid part of the plane, regardless of the angle of attack; aside from Schräge Musik, the impact angle would be extremely high (less than 45 degrees). What the buff bomber act like now is like hitting everywhere, like hitting from the back. It’s just like thin volumetric armour, but everywhere.
Sound argument, shooting from the bottom where the b17 has thinner skin + less disturbed access to the aprs would be dealier, but gaijin doesnt model that yet, these are 14 year old damage models that need an update, not the bombers fault
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No this should be the more correct explanation. War Thunder already have the best mechanism to make bomber historical. Bugged volumetric armour.
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Its not like gaijin lacks the technology to give aircraft and actual “skin” value, we got “structural” steel on milktrucks and even the hulls of some US light cruisers are shaped in 16mm STS steel. Just a TON of work, and difficulties sourcing documentation for stuff like the he111
I laughed so hard LOOOOOL
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Or just apply the buff the red dots part.
Most fighter would hit those places, while AA and VT missiles would hit the clear section.
Thank you, that’s a good one.
As proven already, MK108 is survivable for bombers.
If you hit strong parts of wings, don’t cause any fires etc., it will not kill the bomber.
I am 100% fine with that. MK108 not destroying main spar of B-17 is also reasonable. It can damage Spitfire’s wing spar, but B-17’s spar is a few times stronger, so I would assume it has a chance towards wingtip with a few impacts but sure as hell not in the much stronger locations.
The entire point is, MK108 messes bombers up, causing fires and severe structural damage and you can’t realistically expect B-17 to tank a dozen shells, yet people here try to paint 30mm as mere firecrackers, while a pound of TNT would barely make a basketball-sized hole in mighty B-17’s skin, according to their logic.
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Bigger than a basketball, a mk 108 gives proper dinner tray assuming surface detonation, I cant answer for under skin detonations. And about 500g blasts a meter diameter or so
I like it here, much more alive than on russian forum ^-^
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Alive is certainly one way to put it.
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You did what was expected of you; congratulations.
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yea
i mean you guys are not behaving in any way that i can rlly take you seriously
cuz there are like literally 2 possibilities
either you guys are just rlly not the brightest and dont even listen to some of the stuff you guys say yourself
or
you are activly aware that you are lying and just do it to either troll people or to get bombers in a state where getting kills with them takes 0 brain activity
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2,500 posts and this is the conclusion you came to? You really might have an IQ of 89 LOOOOL
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so were going straight to insults?
i rlly cant be bothered to read all the nonsense you guys are spewing 24/7 as i not only have a personal life but also basic needs like sleep
+i want to at least stay somewhat sane
but everytime i see you or waffles say something its even more nonsensical and stupid than the last thing
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I like bombers and would love to see them as a equally valuable class, integrated into air modes, as well as they are integrated in ground modes.
This change makes a step towards that. And its not a final change as devs said, they will make more changes for bombers in the future.
Yes, thats what im talking about when i say that gaijin has a lot of control with just economy.
Very good idea
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i mean yea
and i dont disagree that bombers dont have a place in the game rn
but giving them a damage model that makes it impossible for fighters to kill them without having high chances of being shot down themselves is just not the right thing to do
they still have no place in the game
Make them a valuable target both to defend and to attack and it will be more interesting in ARB.
In GRB they are integrated enough, just a big bomb mass against ground, a normal thing.
i dont disagree with that