Yes, that’s the sad reality of 8.3 matches.
No not really.
Ok, so what exactly is my XM246’s K/D against aircraft?
Even if we take a VERY high-ball estimate of 5 deaths to CAS, that’s still an 8.4 K/D.
No, the question is why were YOU bringing up tank deaths.
Congratulations! You just brought up the main balance point to SPAA! SPAA’s kill aircraft, and then tanks kill SPAA, making them not invulnerable.bYou figured out a basic mechanic! I’m so proud of you! (If you are unable to kill a gun SPAA with CAS without dying, then that’s another topic of issue).
Never… did? Never said anything about deaths to tanks from what I remember.
Considering average air kd on s1 is 0.75 (lower than crotale btw), he is around average. Or pantsir is criminally undertiered and deserves 11.7 or 11.3.
The community voted against it, bringing this topic up over and over again is pointless
Heavily skewed as it is a free SPAA that everyone has access to
So, we should give up on trying to get the BMPT fixed just because nothing has changed and Gaijin won’t do it?
I’ll keep bringing up the greatest balancing mistake Gaijin has ever done
Nowhere did I say tank deaths. KD implies all deaths, but I wasn’t going on about tank deaths.
And you shouldn’t be dying to tanks often anyway in SPAA, so your point about KD is useless. If you are dying to tanks all the time, you are either using them as an IFV, being dumb, are getting spawncamped, or get bored that the game is going well and just drive around (guilty of this myself).
I swear I need to be on the verge of a Xanax overdose to try to understand where you are coming from. That’s the only way I could see how you think of things.
The community voted for it
Yeah and it shouldn’t have been a vote in the first place
I’m convinced everyone who voted “No” either regularly abused the APHE, is a bot, doesn’t play the BR, or is stupid.
There is no way anyone looks at a Gepard frontally penning tanks like the T-55 anywhere but the cupola and thinks “Oh wow! That’s not broken or overpowered at all!”
Some decisions should be left up to a vote. This one should not have.
But SPAA is not the sole factor.
That’s what you believe
Who knows? But that is less relevant since your stats of 1.44 KD for tanks clearly show you use the XM as an IFV and therefore die to tanks exponentially more time since you are exposed to them more.
Yet another proof you use it as an IFV with occasional planes shot down. Your plane KpS is even lover at 0.43. If your argument was true that would be higher
Now where did I mention that? OR more specifically where did I actually use it as an argument and not just mention it as an example on the side to contrast the real argument?
Still loses to crotales which are from free spaa pool as well. Also s1 couldnt get more even 1 air kill each game on average even before free spaa introduction.
All of the above!
I’m losing my Iris T to tanks all the time. Just lost another one to a Pantsir SPAA which was rushing. They’re really huge trucks and maps don’t provide safes spaces.
So you even play this game?
Yeah they’re not so hard to kill if you can see even a bit of them, a HE or even HEAT-FS to the bit of the radar sticking out and it’s gone
I do, but we aren’t talking about top tier SPAA. That’s why I included the bit about getting your spawn camped. At top tier, it is significantly easier to flank around and kill SPAA in spawn than the BR’s we are discussing, which is 8.3 and 8.7.
Gepard is nowhere near as tall, along with all the other 35mm SPAA. They really shouldn’t be dying to tanks as often, unless you go out with the intent to kill tanks.
I agree that lot of SPAA are under-tiered. It really shows with the gepard and it’s copycats. Most of all SPAA could easily get a .3 BR increase and they’d still perform fine.
I disagree.
I’d rather have the APHE shell removed before that happens. SPAA should be stronger than aircraft at every tier, because it’s Ground RB. Planes should not have an easy time killing ground targets. They should have significant pushback. CAS should be high risk, high reward.
Big part of this issue isn’t the capability of the SPAAs. It’s the maps & gamemodes. You’re an easy target for aircraft when they know SPAAs are likely at the spawn point. If as an SPAA you decide to move out, your chances of dying to enemy tanks increases.
The skink is a fully enclosed spaa with laser beam .50cals at 5.3. There’s also the T77E1 at 4.0.
One hit from M44 or German HE and it’s over. Russians get cold war tier SPAA alongside ww2 and early jets have to face shilkas and m163s from the 60s.
Every BR I see SPAA die is because they are overwhelmed and getting spawn camped. Otherwise they are OP enough and that’s why I’d like to see them all go up, not just the 8.7 autocannons.