Huh???
Not saying the challenger shouldn’t get worked on, but even the Type 10’s reload rate is not as good as it could be. It also has a multitude of issues that GJ won’t look at , and I expect the Abrams to have problems too. No need to single them out and imply that solely the Challenger is getting boned. We’re all in for Gaijin’s ride, bumpy as it may be.
Its so badly modeled its hardly worthy of being called such.
Perhaps, but no other top tier tank has a ready rack 1/5th its IRL size for “balancing reasons” and I dont think any others have literal voids in the armour like the CR2 does.
CR2 for years had the second fast reload rate in game as a balancing measure and since then 5 seconds has become the average and the tanks it faces have only gotten stronger and the CR2 has actually gotten weaker.
I know other tanks have issues, but the CR2s are definetly some of the worst and easily some the most neglected.
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Obviously I’ll get flak since this is a Chally topic, but you severely underestimate how bad the other tanks are as well. I hope you eventually see that it isn’t only the Challenger in such a poor state.
No nation is above such poor implementation.
Exceot the soviets
But the How I see it
Germany and Sweden have very strong tanks at the moment that dont need any fixes.
France and Italy both also have leopards through third parties.
Ariete got some pretty major buffs recently and is a fairly solid glass canon
Leclerc is fine
Type 10 is fine, again small fast glass canon
Abrams is very strong at the moment.
Only nations that are slightly weak is the Merkava with Israel and the Chinese MBTs.
The people likely to get buffs though is US, Soviets and Germany and hte nations least likely to get buffs is Britain, Israel and China.
But both China and Isarel from what I understand have poorly modeled things, but they dont have intentional nerfs like the Ready rack limits. (Remember CR2 should be 20 to 28 rounds not 4)
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But Britain is the worst. Plus they have other bad treatments and infringements to us by GJ
Is there something like this/ the other thing you sent about chally 2 issues for every Brit tank? IK I could look im pretty sure it’s under general discussion then nation then tank. I know this will destroy me more if/ once I know all about other issues for other of our tanks. I’m already genuinely depressed now but some part of me just wants to know. I don’t know why I do and I know I l just make me more upset about how much injustice there is.
No, I threw this one together specifically for trying to get some attention for the CR2 but it only half worked and I lost the motivation to keep it updated.
Someone was thinking about doing one for other tanks, but I dont think it ever was made.
The only other master list of bug reports I know of is one for the Rafale and One for the Typhoon.
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Ok thanks. Probably best for whats left of my mental health. But how do I go on play challys or even any other brit tank anymore knowing how much is wrong? I was beginning to think CR2s were at least decent/ upper end of bad end of spectrum. But now i cant look at it the same. There is no prize or satisfaction or recognition once/ when/ if i spade the whole ground tree. I used to do it because… well itd be cool for me and to others. Or something like that. Now im doing it cause OCD cant finish what i started especially when this close. Since 9.7 its been ‘onto the next vehicle’ over and over and when i get to the end then… nothing. No ‘well done trooper’ or ‘nice slugging it through’ or anything like that.
Ive lost all motivation to type up posts for tanks and tank corrections/fixes. Lost motivation to research them. 20 page document on chieftain… wasted. Nothing amounts to anything. its all a waste.
Yeah, I dont really know what to suggest on that front.
But its a large part why I stick with air and naval. Those gamemodes Britain at least has something half decent.
10.3 is rather fun for Britain though.
Chally Mk2 is rather fun, the Desert Warrior is underpowered as hell but usable, the Stormer HVM is a laugh and the CAS is rather decent.
Its a shame though, because the CR2 looks awesome.
My brother tells me to play air play brit air we can do sim (he hates ground any only does air). He says brit air is the most powerful at top tier. I told him ill do that after i spade the whole ground TT. But now air doesnt seem as biasless and fair as i thought and seems like itl feel like ground does.
Ehh, mostly its just suffering breech broken in chally. DW is the most terrible useless tank to exist and should be 9.3 at highest, stormer hvm really struggles to kill even helicopters sometimes.
The Typhoon is one of the best top tier jets at the moment, but it too has… issues… Like its radar barely works among other problem
but at least we arent alone on that front and the Germans are noisy buggers.
But fingers crossed, once its issues are resolved, it will be rather good.
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So never, just like the promised Leopard rework or the CR2 rework, did they even changed stuff on the CR2 with the rework?
They kinda fixed the mobility. Previously it was even worse believe it or not. It used to judder when turning as it was constantly switching gears. It still dumps all its speed on a turn but that’s down to the awful transmission modelling the game has, the ch2 just doesn’t have the horsepower to overcome it like other vehicles do.
The ch2 should move like this:
The armour was reviewed, they briefly had a version on the dev server which was actually good then they were like “actually nah” and just removed it and didn’t really change much.
It was a huge missed opportunity and I still wonder what went on behind the scenes that the fixed armour was removed. It was very…… odd to say the least.
I rarely go above 10.7 these days. Cannot be arsed to deal with the ch2s issues and the absolutely oppressive CAS with a sodding adats, especially now we’ve discovered the kh-38MT doesn’t actually exist and gaijin just made it up. Kills any and all motivation.
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TBH I’d correct this to ‘if’'. Ive learned to never ever get my hopes up for stuff. Makes the rare if ever fix or whatever seem heavenly.
My advice to new brit ground players: Dont get your hopes up. The TT never gets better, just worse.
Regenerative steering is by far the biggest missing thing from GRB right now, it affects the majority of tanks in the game across nations and across the BRs.
It would make so many vehicles far more competitive and the game feel so much better.
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I’ve been talking with someone (outside the forums) about the existence of anti brit bias. He’s deadass set that it doesn’t exist at all in ground or air in the slightest. His mean reason/ counterargument for provided examples is ‘Being years old and countless reports and re reports isn’t a reason because britain is such a minority they cant put the time or effort in for such small priority things that only a few people play’
- Can you tell me to show how minority isnt such an excuse for so many and so old reports and being ignored?
- What’s the single most grievance they’ve done to brit ground? (I don’t mean family like all the CR2 stuff i mean like individual, specific example)
Its such a stupid argument to begin with that Id have no idea where to begin.
The idea that Britain barely gets played and therefore should be purposefully neglected is rather baffling to me. By that logic, might as well delete all nations bar US, USSR and Germany.
Especially when those reports that perhaps most deeply impact Britain at the moment, such as the state of BOL CM pods on all our Rank VIII aircraft also affect most other nations too, including the US on the F-14B. So many problems could be fixed for Britain that arent implicity even to do with Britain. The same could be said with nerfing APHE and buffing APDS, which again, would be a major buff for Britain without implicitly being for Britain.
Likewise there is a recent push to fix and buff the Harriers. The US has 4, Italy has 1 and Japan has 2. So again, its not even a Britain only Buff there and would just as much impact a “major” nation as a minor one.
The most recent that comes to mind was the nerfs to the Fox and Scimitar. They reduced the turret rotation speed from 60° per second to 30° per second because someone “felt” it was too fast. No source given, no explanation, just “this feels too fast”.
I think sources to try and fix it suggest it should be about 50° per second but Ive not been following it too closely.
I dont play much Ground to be honest though, air and naval are my main modes and the gamemodes I follow the most. I tried to get the CR2 fixed and so became a semi-expert on it as a result, but I play too little ground overall to deep dive into. So I could give you plenty of examples of Britain “nerfs” that just dont make any sense to look at otherwise from Air
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his explanation was that it was actually the wayy overperformace of the vehicles (the fox and scimitar) he also says that GJ cant possibly hate britain cause they have a “high amount of premium vehicles it would be in their best interest to sell” and implies they were nerfing the vehicles without directly nerfing their ability. he says that its not that they saw the one post but that they saw the KD and overperformace and thats why. i quite “this is basic game design”.
Nerfing the main paper stats is the definition of nerfing ability! And UK doesnt have a high amount of prems. according to his own words GJ can ignore us cause we’re such a minority. Thus the amount of prems would be so low! the Turm 3 or 2S38 alone probably sells more than all the brit ground prems combined.