There’s also the logistical costs aswell, Challenger 3 is compatible with almost all the logistical equipment from Challenger 2, be it recovery vehicles to turret lifts. More importantly the spares are from UK companies for the most part, so there’s less risk of a Swiss ammunition esque issue of geopolitics effecting requisition.
the swiss only realy produce the anti air ammunition, so that not an issue.
Besides that the ammunition part is pretty redundant since chally 3s use the same ammunition as leopards
That was just an example to illustrate issues that can occur when you import parts etc.
It’s the worst challenger and never should have been added
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It shouldn’t be.
My point is look how far it’s fallen thanks to Gaijin’s management
We only need to assemble the L55A1 of Challenger 3, the MTU883 engine of Challenger 2E, and the Iron Fist of Challenger BN together. We will get the best Challenger. Xd
Well, we got 2 of those things at least. Jury still out on the engine though.
i dont think it got the iron fist from the black night iirc i believe its the trophy aps that the merkavas are equipped with but im not 100% so surely someone will confirm
Corners of the turret cheeks look to be a slightly different shape along the bottom edge since the last prototypes
Yeah i noticed that too their is also cables on each side of the turret could be for possibly the LWS are APS Radar ??
Are these the same APS that the Black Night had?
Why is our breach still huge. Why cant we design another gun or barrel or whatever that leaves a small breach/mantlet.
I think we are swapping to Trophy
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Im not totally convinced that is an IRL issue. Gaijin has a lot still to fix with the CR2/CR3 mantlets
Yeh but the trophy is worse? The Iron Fist uses an Explosive Projectile Interceptor which can stop Things even as far as Kinetic and ATGMs. Ive seen the Trophy uses explosively formed penetrator/self-forging fragment (like a shotgun) which certainly cannot stop Kinetic/APFSDS.
Because it is not an easy spot to aim irl. Leopard 2 advanced’s one are rare exception.
And Iron Fist is not combat proven. That’s maybe why.
Would need a complete redesign of the turret.
Thats what uk didnt want to.
Uk is essentialy now using same breach and gunnas leopards now.
But the turret restricts the mantler since they want to be able to upgrade their current challys as well if necesary if i remember right
Because in real life the mantlet isn’t a signficiant weak spot like it is in war thunder.
Breaches in WT are artificially nerfed in order to “balance” top tier and keep the skill requirement lower. For example, the Leopard 2’s mantlet is partially made of STRUCTURAL steel instead of rolled steel, making it signficantly weaker than it should be. The Leclerc, Challenger, Type 10, Abrams etc… mantlet’s are also weaker than they should be, often significantly.
The British already had a small mantlet design for the Challenger 1, however, it was clearly not a large detriment to move to a larger mantlet for the Challenger 2.
They don’t want top tier tanks to be too effective hull down, which is understandable, but not realistic.
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