10 tons of ERA provides meaningful protection?
nah, clearly a marketing lie
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If the EPSOM CR3 is added is the next 2 or 3 updates, I wonder how badly they will model it. Maybe just as “ERA” but with the name “EPSOM” instead of what would likely be better Relikt
That 10mm of extra KE protection will be useful 😜
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clearly just a ROMOR-A equivalent
The Armies MBT armour programme owner’s statement seems to infer the new modular armour (NMA) is designed to combat enemy MBTs
However, gaijin seems to think NATO ERA/Composite addons are cheese against anything that isnt an RPG-7, so I’m not hopeful
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Who said that?
I remember Mytho getting more annoyed and annoyed about it.
And talking about its fake mocke up armor.
Likely he didnt help that he was the one that unintentionaly shared the source that stated the challenger 130 was made for germany and not UK, like many of us believed before and changed the opinion of a lot germans about it
Not really made for Germany
The gun was fitted to show of the Gun as it couldn’t fit in a Leopard 2 but was also done with the British MoD approval and intrest as the Challenger 2ATD and Challenger 3 are designed for this 130mm refit in mind
So the statement that is was made for Germany isnt correct at all
The gun is for any nation who want to use it and it being in the Challenger 2 ATD shows the UK that the Challenger 3 could also have it if requested
So i don’t really know what you are yapping about i remember a source being posted stating the whole thing was done in 2 weeks
Any way when they add the big guns best have Challenger 130mm to the Brits and KF-41 130mm to the Germans and then we see what happens next
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Still funny or rather sad that you arent able to cope with it
The main objective for Rheinmetall is the MGCS programme, in which the 130 mm competes against Nexter’s 140 mm proposal. The way ahead - EDR Magazine
Doesnt matter, completly seperate.
If i loan u a laptopand you write a thesis. Is it my thesis? Thats what u are stating.
It was done by rheinemtall, not rbsl.
There is a clear difference. You guys cant prove any participation of the britains.
Or the clear intend.
We do have clear statemenrs its made with germany in mind to advertise it and a proof of concept.
KF 51.
And still not how it works. You claim the challenger 130.
Italy hungary are gonna be the official service users of the Kf51 120mm. They claim that or gajin gets the idea of making it a tree speciality.
Embt 140 uses the french gun. So the french claim it and dont wanna share.
So here we are germany doesnt have any of its developed tanks anymore.
That were all done by germany.
Leo 140mm is last generation tech that isnt equal anymore either to the newer ones.
Fact is the UK challenger 130 suggestion.
Shouldnt even have been allowed to be made under the suggestion forum rules.
The suggestion mod that handled it, just didnt know better, he saw a challenger and thought oh has to be for the UK. Even germans didnt know better at first.
You cant prove any actual involvement of the britains or the clear intend that this version is made for the UK. You have yet to show it of, besides worthless claims where u try to desperatly twist statements like the UK allowance or how the base vehicle is still in britain ownership.
Everything considered the UK playerbase should be happy that most geemans dont mind to share.
But most britains dont like the idea
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So two companies are competing to show who has the better gun that might be used in a joint French and German project by putting one of those gun in a British testbed for there new tank upgrade
UK Customer
I think that shows that they did want to see the 130mm in the Challenger
You know they intentionally did two suggestions right? Which also does impact how the dev will add it at all
Everything but the gun and add on kit was done by RBSL UK giving permission shows that they are interested. They may of had spare time to install the gun but doesn’t mean everything could 100% happen in that time frame. If there was no interest by the UK they wouldn’t of allowed it as it cause unneeded risk on the test platform
That is a funny statement
British tank not owned by germany, modified by germany with permission from britain to show off the gun.
yep this is absolutely a german tank
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yes, dont know what u dont understand there.
Its a german rheinmetall standalone project to advertise the cannon to germany.
For this rheinmetall created a proof of concept the challenger 130.
It is a clear inted of marketing towards germany and that being said france as well.
Arguably france has more claim over it then the UK. @vizender u intrested in getting your own chally?
Besides that germany would still stand over france in the matter, cause it was a german project.
Uk customer, they talk about the challenger 3 /LSP project or however it is called.
The vehicle was their cause of their project. UK was a customer in that case.
They are talking about this. The relation to the challenger 130 still is not necesarily given.
cause the UK one was a mistake, but they didnt wanna make to big of a deal when it was brought up
under the official forum rules, the uk suggestion shouldnt have been allowed. It should have gotten automaticaly tagged as germany, like they often do with suggestions that had the wrong nation tag
did you want to say, " doesnt impact?"
cause i am saying to add it to both nations all the time.
cause that was done by for a different project, You have to differentiate the RBSL projects and the rheinmetall project.
The challenger 130 is clearly marked as rheinmetall and not as RBSL like all the others.
u go so far as to think it was fully integrated. we only ever saw the gun shoot while standing still and the turret moving a bit.
There might never have been a full integration of the fcs, which would have needed UK help.
You cant prove it, thats the problem.
make out of it whatever u want
if i loan, rent, lend you chisels. And you make a fantastic sculptue with it.
Is the statue my sculpture or is it yours?
Not really a good point as it was only the gun and not the whole thing
You are missing my point here
My point is the UK MoD wouldn’t allow a 130mm to be installed if the were not interested as the installation of the 130mm and use of the 130mm has possibility of causing issues to the tank to possibly delay testing. Yeah i don’t even know if the FCS works with it but that wasn’t my point
It is still on the Challenger 2 ATD tank and still shows that tank can use the new 130mm if required. The Challenger 3 is built with the 130mm in mind and this was to one show off the gun in a platform and show the UK MoD what other gun the Challenger 3 could have when it is ready. It was a double wammy.
There is no real reason to add it to both if Germany has the KF-51 which will likely be what will happen if it is added. My point is passed to the dev does not reflect what the devs will do or what nation it will go to at all
The Challenger 130mm was Uk owned and UK operated there would be no Rheinmetall workers that were actually trained on the Challenger platform and would of been driven and operated by British crew which would of been the same crew operating it when it had the 120mm
it doesn’t really fit with what you are saying at all and nothing you have shown prove the British one is a mistake at all
UK customer as it was a UK tank project done by the MoD. The MoD allowed for the 130mm to be installed on their prototype tank that they owned and were testing and seeing what over thing it could have in the future
The gun was made for the MGCS project yeah a gun that has yet to be ordered.
The tank itself was not for that project it was to show the gun of to the world and British MoD
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German mains still desperate to acquire a decent MBT for their TT?
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Hey we got at least 4 decent MBTs which coincidentally is the same amount as shells in a chally 2s ready rack /s
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I can’t be asked to continue this further any way because Brick walls are not fun to talk with
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its the same concept, its the work of rheinmetall.
You gave it rheinmetall and gave up the ownership during that time for the express purpose of their project.
but here is the thing, you cant prove it, rheinmetall might have payed for the permission etc.
If the project around the Challenger 2 atd / 3 was done ahead of time.
They just got permission to do their own stuff with left over time, or asked for delayed return cause of it.
the problem is that since the initial challenger 130 proposal a lot of stuff changed.
Itlay and both hungary bought KF51s 120mm.
So what stops gajin to say now lets make italy the KF51 exclusive tree.
For us its literaly go bank or bust. Cause we dont wanna make a precedent so that gajin can avoid giving us the KF51 130mm.
With the same sketchy excuses you use, can be used to justify the only addition to italy.
When germany developed both.
yes they were trained during the 120mm. the 130mm is a different project, u need to understand that finaly.
thats what the artricle says, the project, the challenger 130 show of, the proof of concept was done for the mgcs,
Thats what i state all the time
hey i am not the one that cant acknowledge its a rheinmetall project and not a RBSL project.
There is a clear difference.