OH MY GOODNESS
There is little to no evidence for it being a british intended programme
Rhinemetall - THE PEOPLE DOING IT - have literally stated it was for internal testing like holy moly just stop fuckin coping lmao.
“The main objective for Rheinmetall is the MGCS programme, in which the 130 mm competes against Nexter’s 140 mm proposal.” - https://www.edrmagazine.eu/the-way-ahead
Is showing off the expand-ability for the CR3 programme a nice bonus? Yes. Was it a goal? No.
that one we have nothing to do with.
Its a product made for the UK. with the intent purpose of becoming the service tank
The challenger 130 is a diferent vehicle advertised towards germany and is not the tank that is coming into british service
Panther. Its a modified leopard with a 130mm. so yes it does
They certainly are treated as so, the really low player counts also keep it that way.
not this lie again. its 10 degrees of scan on a radar that is already super wide in scan. cease the coping.
unlikley to get a rafale, at least if it happens it would be nerfed back to realistic.
its gonna be mid dw
Yes the data for this project was MGCS, the intent was to show a 130 could work in a CHALLENGER and work at all in an MBT…
careful, next thing they gonna call you a wehrabo, if i remember right you were in the “british” camp yopurself and a big canada supporter
The intent was to demonstrate the ability to fit the 130 and autoloader to older types…
But I guess we should probably add this to Germany then huh
Only British part of it was the gun so I guess that makes it a German addition by the framework you are arguing for.
not a leopard
and
i mean, they are treated like most other nations.
Germany aint being treated better if you believe so, not since a long time.
We aint russia.
again, i dont care about it, i never supported the notion, i put it sarcasticaly in ()
you should definitly, i support every nation to get all their rightfully deserved vehicles, they supported in development or get via subtree.
i mean, not all vehicles need to be meta, there can be funky ones as well.
And didnt u have 2 versions of F-35? one that was more “meta”
So the tank, used by Canada originally, bought by RO, used by RO for marketing, upgraded by RO, tested by RO with the RO IWS 105. Now belongs to Germany??? Hell of a leap, since they never bought the CR2 used for the 130, only loaned
Lmao
Just
Lmao
The fact you can’t see your own hypocrisy is amazing.
Buying something to upgrade is very different than loaning to upgrade. You know this, I know this.
ohhh, i remember that one.
it was explained to me extensively
I agreed that it should be added in the UK
Loan to use is why I have issues with the Swede T-80U and AH-64A and CR2 130. Same if Sweden got the Leclerc…
Damn, you guys are still going at it?
Question: Was the Canadian C1 that had the gun changed switched back to the back to the L7A3 after the fact and given back to Germany?
u dont believe how funny i find this right now considering i was called a hypocrit earlier, cause of someone comparing my opinion of canada/australian to the challenger 130 xD
It is literally specified in the suggestion that it’s loaned.
“The main objective for Rheinmetall is the MGCS programme, in which the 130 mm competes against Nexter’s 140 mm proposal. “We consider that currently the overall 130 mm system has a TRL 2-3, the weapon more towards 3 while the autoloader being closer to 2,” Christoph Henselmann says, explaining that in February 2021 Rheinmetall started for the first time direct negotiation between the industries of both France and Germany. “In two years time, in late 2022, we expect the bi-national customer to decide which will be the main armament calibre, but simultaneously we are working on an upgrade solution for in-service 120 mm platforms,” he adds, stressing that the weapon system for manned turrets will not be completely identical to the one being proposed for the MGCS, the fitting of the 130 mm gun in a manned turret being less optimised that in an unmanned one, thus requiring some adaptations.”
This is just him talking about Rheinmetall main objective at the time which was 2021 was the MGCS program and the gun that might be for it. Not that the Challenger 2 130mm main and only reason for being made was for MGCS
“Christoph Henselmann also clarifies the appearance of the 130 mm on a video showing a Challenger 2 fitted with the new gun. “In April 2020 we had a window of opportunity when the Challenger 2 was in Unterlüss and no further tests were planned, to install the 130 mm on it, following the clearance from the UK customer. The British tank is a little wider than the Leopard 2, making things easier,” he says. Within the limited three weeks time the work concentrated on verifying how the 130 mm gun is well balanced inside a current 120 mm turret, checking stabilisation.”
Paragraph before explains that it was done by clearance of the UK mod showing that they had interest in the gun on there Challenger 2 ATD test bed
it was a two birds with one stone because they get to test the gun and show it what the British can have but to say the British had zero intrest and help is silly as without them it wouldn’t of happened as they had paid and given a tank that was made for this 130mm gun in mind
it is two different things
RO owned the tank and didn’t get anyones approval to do the project
Edit
Never mind it was loaned
Then it is up to Gajin who they think deserves it more
quoting you, but it was only a gun switch.
Nothing important
Returned to the Canadian army, my point was more that by the argument the user was making for the CR130 just doesn’t really make sense, given that it’s almost entirely a Rhinemetall internal thing, the only UK input being that the Chassis used was british.
