Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 2)

Sadly the majority of the player base think the Fox is egregious and overpowered. Nulifying its ability to flank and kill anything rectifies this.

The Falcon is also still highlighted as an issue.

Lowering the Falcon/Warrior and Fox penetrative and post penetrative effects invalidate it. What I dont understand is why it’s always British vehicles that have to be brought to heel. If you are losing to a Falcon or Fox consistently that is down to player competency

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cant wait for the fox to be put at the same br as the pt 76 57…

“i was goin on my tiger 2/is 3 drinking beer and when i was drinking beer a fox flanked me causing me to spill my beer. why does britain have a car like that its not fair they should be my food”

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"British vehicles only deserve to be food"And food can’t resist the fate of being eaten. 😋

I mean, I quote “the statistics are not entirely clear” (regarding the Tornado GR.1 getting stomped on release day)

But suddenly the moment it’s a vehicle that’s kinda good the statistics are crystal clear, and the “efficiency of the vehicle is very high”

(Satire but still making a serious point)

Far more tragically the “majority” of the playerbase (aka some screeching brat that is a blatant Russian main and has a clear interest in nerfing the Fox into the ground, plus a couple of Tiger II players who haven’t grasped what flanking is) is f*cking wrong, for reasons i’ve made abundantly clear.

But apparently, the solution to the Fox being 8.0 is to move the Warrior up to 8.7 (despite it probably being one of the worse IFVs at 8.3)

Jesus, I wonder what the hell Gaijin “Developers” are going. I tell you what is in need of development, their brains are. Can’t see the painfully obvious staring right at them (that the Fox isn’t intrinsically good, and relies on players being absolute apes/having learnt nothing throughout their journey to Rank 4/5 and not checking their flanks)

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The fact you can hide in plain view with a jet engine running underneath you (dont even bother switching the engine off anymore) tells you enough. Ive pretended to be a bush before just to have 2 gepards (respawns as i had just killed them a second ago) go right by me.

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Christ it’s just as well not many people in WT are actual armed forces bods because they have godawful Situational Awareness…

really wish they buff The Turret reverse to 30 degrees and gun elevation speed same as the Challenger 1
it won’t break anything I don’t see why they don’t want to make a competitive tank
( we want people to play minor Nations mostly get stomped out by the big three)

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No, youll have the turret elevation of a pig with a broken neck and youll like it. Always funny to see when gaijins claims half the mantle is taken up by the elevation mechanism. You would think it could raise it a little quicker if its that big…

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just another bug report on the challenger 2 for people to take a look at! the destruction model of the 2f seems to be odd, more specifically the driver hatch.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/jN2fqROijIxF

the type of players who believe this:

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can I get a link to whatever site you are hiring these paid actors from lmao

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usually its just top tier major nations, I’ve gotten 7 kill games with the fox against us and german teams, the russian and swedish mbts are pretty much impossible to pen from the sides with russians and their bs era packages that somehow block almost 200mm of kinetic energy and swedish cuz of the composite screens. but french, japanese, italians, and american tanks are really easy to side pen and well german players will always be blind

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This is just evidence that the fox needs to go to 12.0.

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cant wait for first 13.0 tank to be the fox and scimitar now XD

I do love the leclerc especially in that clip. I’ve found myself in your situation many times too where you get caught out entirely in the open whilst flanking and have no option but go still. Wild how often people will entirely miss you even when you’re right in front of them just because you’re not moving.

Even got rammed by someone before that never noticed.

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still, despite this, the fox, warrior and scimitar are going to be nerfed into the ground, likely making them useless just because of the gun nerfs. it wouldn’t surprise me if gaijin shoot themselves in the foot so bad that they remove the milan from the warrior and put them all at the same/similar br because of the mass nerfs to the gun.

these vehicles need to stop being nerfed, based on poor play-styles from other players. as said before, if they are able to get around your sides, you either didn’t see them, they flanked you, or you got outplayed. stop forcing nerfs on vehicles that are using the only playstyle that fits them. flanking/ratting.

as it is, the warrior is already struggling imo, because of the nerfs from the APDS because of the changes they made to the fox, and making even more APDS changes because players are blind and dont look is just going to make it even worse. mark my words; they will kill the warrior, the scimitar and the fox, all in one go with one change.

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wait did they actually add the proposed apds tweaks to the rarden 30mm apds?

Not yet, it is going to be happening though in a later patch as they said in balance changelog.