This is awesome
But this is insane. No idea what they are thinking
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Yeah, I think they would be better off at 12.3
They are moving up a lot of other “weaker” 12.0 tanks with them though such as the VT4A1, Merkava and the Leopard 2A6 for some reason.
The BN and the 2E arent the only ones with questionable changes. I never really thought the 2E or BN suffered that much at 12.0 though, I’m just really glad theres finally a reason to play the early Challengers again.
Yeah, whats the point of a decompression if everything is just going to be same BR after the change. They should be at most 12.3.
but yeah… At least there is hope for the 4 at the ‘correct’ BR
If this is on dev we can hopefully try and push gaijin to move them to 12.3
Im not really sure exactly what to do with the Challenger 3TD currently, I think it could be at 11.7 too but I’d rather them just buff it up to 12.7 level with a 5 second reload. At 12.0 it will have no lineup at all.
Honestly, at this point. I just dont really see the point of the CR3TD. In its original state, it was a good addition, with all the nerfs… I think it should just be deleted or converted into the CR3(P), given all the buffs that entails and move up to 12.7.
Its wierd.
The most I can think is people maybe running the GR7 at 12.0, but the power of the 11.7 line-up is going to be awesome, as I suspect a LOT of the 12.7s will just run a 13.0 line-up and so you wont face them. Meaning you’ll consistantly get downtiers to the premium 10.7 spam or mild uptiers. (What is moving to 12.3 is honestly what an uptier should look like and I almsot think they should up it to 13.0 so there is a hard barrier)
Between the Tornado Gr1 and Harrier T10, CAS is quite happily covered
Though, if we can get them down to 12.3, the Tonka GR4 becomes quite good
I wouldnt care much if they completely deleted the CR3 TD from the tree, reworked it and then readded it as a premium or tech tree vehicle again. I have no desire to play it from a gameplay or historical point of view. That’s just me tho, I think in its current state its just a stain on the British tech tree.
I’m much more interested to get a good representation of the real Challenger 3 prototypes and production vehicles when they’re added.
I dont really see any reason to do that when you can take the way better 11.7 lineup with the T.10 which has the exact same ATG performance lol (as you basically said already). The Tornado GR.1 is also a great jet for CAS at 11.7, the GR.4 is more of a nice upgrade but not really needed imo.
Very true, I personally wouldnt mind it losing a few Brimstones if that meant it could go down, but I dont really think it would be OP at 12.0 with 15 brimstones as they’re only SAL
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Yeah, was just figurng F2P. You also have the Apache, which might be semi playable again.
Yeah it is. Gunna be nice to be able to play it again. At least in anything but a full uptier. Ive been wanting a 10.0 Tornado so that I had an option.
Ive been trying to get its BR dropped. With these changes, those arguments will need to change, but I think there migth still be a chance, at least until we get real Brimstones.
Yeah. To be brutally honest… I cant really think of any reason why it would be OP at 11.7 prior to these changes. Now… I think 12.0 would be perfect.
In a full uptier the GR.1 and T.10 can’t face top tier jets as those jets are 13.0 luckily, and now you won’t face the top tier helis either which is an added bonus.
You also wont face top tier SPAA such as the IRIS-T SLM and BUK as often as they’re going to 12.7 from 12.0 which is great.
I believe the Apache is staying at 12.0, but you can use the Rooivalk which is at 11.7 and is extremely good there
Luckily, the ADATS is staying at 11.7 to act as an SPAA for the 11.7 lineup
Still gunna face the SAMs, though which is gunna be a bit of an issue. Though hopefully most 12.7s will just be running 13.0. So very few actual 12.7 line-ups.
But its a shame the Pantsir isnt moving up
Yeah, I did get it ages ago on sale, but im not really that big of a fan. Though I’ll probably just stick with fixed wing CAS. They just need to fix GBUs.
I still dont get why the AH Mk1 is 12.0 and not 11.7
Yeah, might have a little value now. Though Stormer HVM will probably be on my lineup most of the time. Though need to try the ADATS with the new Semi-ACLOS thingy
The Tornado Gr.1 is actually 11.3 in GRB, so if you use it at 11.3 you will be able to completely avoid the top tier SAMS, but I imagine most people will use it at 11.7
II imagine the Ah MK.1 is at 12.0 as the Starstreaks let you delete other helis from 7km away, which is a very strong ability, but its situational
Both are pretty good now, the ADATS is pretty nice for taking out scout drones
Yeah… (which is why people claiming it has Mk101 engines to “Balance” it makes no sense when it could just be 11.7, its BRs are the wrong way round :D ) but running 10.7 tanks at 11.3 just to use the Tonka is wierd. Might as well just use the Jag for that.
Maybe… but still wierd.
Yeah, only issue I have with the HVM. If it got LMM, Id never use anything else
Afaik Gaijins reason for giving it the worse engines is just to make it more “unique” compared to the GR.4, its not really a balance thing, its very odd reasoning either way.
Me too lol, having a Stormer chassis with “anti-everything” missiles sounds amazing
Yeah, the official reason is to create a feeling of progression from the GR1 to the GR4 (because all the upgrades werent enough for that)
Looks at the Italian Tornados…
But something doesnt smell right to me. The only other attribute is we have FnF “AGMs” and I use that term rather loosely.
Im not really fussed about ground targets, but drones just being… untargetable, is annoying
It really is…
I’d also like to see the Stormer get the proper SPAA radar menu eventually, now I’ve got used to it I really miss it
Yeah. IFF is also overdue too
Me too lol, having a Stormer chassis with “anti-everything” missiles sounds amazing
Laughs in eating BMPs and Wheeled TDs from across the map with the starstreak.
though give me my ~90mm of missing pen and I will eat basically anything and everything
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My favourite is the hull down 2S38 that you nail because the spinning dart dropped down below the hill they are hiding behind
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mmm it never gets old. Especially when they rage in chat afterwards.
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They’ll have to make the acquisition box actually work again first…
According to the dev stream the Challenger 2 will be getting air target tracking along with several other high tier MBTs
I’m unsure how useful it will be for the Challenger 2s, but the Challenger 3 TD has a timed fuse shell so it could be decent for shooting helis
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