Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 2)

[luque13]

L27A1 now really struggling to even pen Relikt side skirts and if it does the spalling and kill potential are low.

Every update it becomes more painful to play

[Crazed_Otter]

I think the answer is now 420.
To account for inflation.

Or in Gaijin World…

They gathered together in front of the great machine (Deep Thought). ‘Do you really know the answer to life, the universe and everything?’

‘Yes’ - the machine whirred.

‘Not a bug.’

[Rambolf]

anyone got that report for the wrong HP for the challengers that should up it to like 1290 or something

[Morvran]

Community Bug Reporting System

Up to date list

Bug List

Challenger 2 Bugs:

Mobility related

• Challenger 2 (All) (And Challenger 1s): Missing Engine Horsepower

Armour/survivability

Base Armour

• Challenger 2 (All): Incorrect Mantlet armour/Protection (Dev Post)

• Challenger 2 (All) - Missing Spall liners

• Challenger 2 (all) - missing spall liners, version 2

• Challenger 2 (All): Missing composite armour in turret roof

• Challenger 2 (All): Turret points cause shells to ignore rest of armour

• Challenger 2 (All) - Turret bustle should be RHA instead of CHA

• Challenger 2 (All): UFP Spall liner should be split

• Challenger 2 (All): Gun Mantlet, Breech and gun are too high

• Challenger 2 (All): Vulnerable to low calibre overpressure on driver

External Armour

• Challenger 2 (All): Incorrect additional side armour composition (Partial fix)

• Challenger 2 (2F & 2E): UFP add-ons missing thickness and effectiveness

• Challenger 2 (2F): Side external armour doesnt work

• Challenger 2 (2F, TES & OES): Incorrect external armour

• Challenger 2: side blocks should be 200mm thick

• Challenger 2 (BN) UFP Model Incorrect

• Challenger 2 (2F & TES): Side armour protection levels

• Challenger 2 (All): Missing spall liner on the LFP

• Challenger 2 (TES & OES): SPRO-HMT CE resistance

• Challenger 2 (TES & OES): Backing Plate

• Challenger 2 (TES & OES): Applique Armor shouldn’t detonate to KE

• Challenger 2 (TES & OES): Baseplate configuration is backwards

• Challenger 2 (TES & OES): Applique Armour name and type

• Challenger 2: ASPRO-HMT incorrect protection

- Challenger 2 Dorchester 2E Addon Model inaccuracies

(Community Bug Reporting System)

• Challenger Series ROMOR ERA Model Inaccuracy

Internal Armour

• Challenger 2 (All): Turret basket ammunition bin unprotected

• Challenger 2 (TES): Internal armour ignored by shells

• Challenger 2 (All): Turnnion pins missing

• Challenger 2 (All): Missing armour around gun mantlet

• Challenger 2 (All): Missing internal bulkheads

• Challenger 2 (All): Aiming Drives clip through spall liners

Other components

• Challenger 2 (All): Incorrect ammo storage placement (Dev Post)

(Additional Information)

• Incorrect Gunner and Commander position

• Challenger 2 (All) Ammo Position issues

• Challenger 2 (OES): Incorrect ammo bin thickness

• Challenger 2 TES/OES, 8 APFSDS shells too many

APS

• Challenger 2 (BN): Iron FIst missing soft kill function

• Challenger 2 (BN): Iron fist Hard-Kill APS Issue

• Challenger 2 (BN): Iron Fist Launcher randomly spinning

Weapon Systems

Optics/Thermals

• Challenger 2 (All): Commander should have thermals when aiming

Main gun

• Challenger 2 (All): L27A1 CHARM 3 penetration too low

• Challenger 2 (All): Incorrect ready rack

• Challenger 2 (All): Ammo Stowage and first stage incorrect

Other armament

• 12.7mm HMG (AKA 50.Cal) or 40mm GL for all Chally 2

Miscellaneous

• Challenger 2(All): Missing meteo-sesnor mast

• Challenger 2 (All): Model issue, Missing wash plate

• Challenger 2 (All): Wrong X-Ray of the Challenger 2E engine Compartment

• Challenger 2 (OES): Incorrect Armour skirt plate texture

• Challenger 2 (TES & OES): Rear Grille Armour damaged model issue

• Challenger 2 0 Missing Frontal Combat Identification Panels

• Challenger 2(All): Wheels Varying Sizes

Challenger 2 Suggestions;

• Camo Netting

• Challenger 2 (TES): Baracuda thermal stealth blanket for TES

[Rambolf]

2 months of “review” man

[Morvran]

One of the main reports needing fixing for the CR2s is the incorrect ready racks… which was reported coming up to 3 years ago now

[Master_Teaz]

its more than likely for balance considerations (and also the standard Latency), they can’t only implement it for one or the other

Challenger 2s may crave the extra horsepower, but the Challenger 1s and Khalid are great tanks as is, and may become a bit too good with the extra 100hp

i’d be more than happy to see an 11.0 british lineup if the tip tier area is decompressed, the Chally ready racks get fixed, and the Chally 1s get their Gen 2 thermals, in addition to the Bhishma getting 3BM60 as it should to keep a 11.0 lineup together, and bug reports on the Vickers Mk.7 moving it up (Turret armour, Breech armour, Gen 2 Thermals)

[Firestarter]

Regards inflation, please don’t tempt me (I’ll burst into tears)

Regards the Great Machine,

sigh

On a slightly offtopic note, how have you retained sufficient levels of sanity to survive here?

[Crazed_Otter]

Not so sure about being all that sane!

I prefer to think instead in terms of morbid curiosity - observing some of the forum fruitcakes in full flow is a helpful reminder of how much worse I could be…

[RantaLokki]

But what we gonna do now?

Now that Canadian vehicles are split between the german and uk tree?

[dotSHINI]

And the US, you foegot them.
Well nothing?
Not likey u csn do anything

[Sea_Harrier_FRS1]

Found this:

https://youtu.be/e6hh-CoPKqU?si=k5MpYkOYI4dlNCNZ

Most it’s probably been posted before but it was cool to watch and cool to see a 3.5-4 second reload but the loader didn’t seem to use and other charge bins besides the four first stage ready charges in-front of him

[CHARM_3]

Just an FYI, for the last link u put it as Barracuda. It’s SolarΣShield, which is different, we already have Barracuda in game just non functional. Just incase u want it to be perfect.

[CHARM_3]

Can you send the link? Video not working.

[Master_Teaz]

Challenger 2 rate of fire

it may be this video, not sure though

[CHARM_3]

Yh that’s what I was checking, might have been a video we haven’t seen yet. Still a really cool video though.

[CHARM_3]

Also u missed dozer blade again lmao.

[Morvran]

Ah, that is on the main post, but I never added it to the main list

[Sea_Harrier_FRS1]

It is, I didn’t test that my link worked but yeah…

[Kobes-Kamov]

The preliminary datamines for the BR changes have came out and theres some good news.

Essentially all poweful top tier tanks are going to 12.7 (Leo 2A7, M1A2 SEP, Leclerc, Type 10 etc…)

The Challengers got the following changes in GRB:

Challenger 2E → 12.7
Challenger BN → 12.7

Challenger 3TD → 12.0

Challenger 2, Challenger 2F, Challenger 2 TES, Challenger 2 OES all staying at 11.7!

The Good:

This now means the early Challengers can only see the strongest top tier tanks in a full uptier and cannot face any of the top tier helicopters anymore as they are going to 13.0. Overall unless changed later, this is a really nice buff for the early Challengers. They are finally at a significantly lower BR than the stronger Challengers and more modern MBTs such as the 2A7 and Type 10.

The Bad:

The Challenger 3 TD now has basically no lineup, and the 2E and BN are will have no change to their MM functionally.

The Sky Sabre also went to 12.7, along with most other very stong SPAA.