Wait how did the mk5 and mk10 have thermals? I thought it was only the mk11 that had thermals.
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Yeah the Mk5’s received thermals through the Totem pole Program, Which was a program to upgrade all Chieftains to the Mk10 standard. And the Mk10’s received Thermals in the early 80s.
the mk3 didnt have LRF that was the mk3/3, we have the mk as it was when it entered service not retrofits. From what I’ve found when researching the MK 5 only the Chieftain Mk.5/2K had TOGs, Totem pole and from factory mk5s either do have LRS or don’t depending on the source. the mk9 and mk10 had stillbrew however the mk11 was the one that introduced TOGs to chieftain.
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The MK3 in game is a 3/3, I’ve looked at all the bits, it SHOULD have the LRF.
Totem pole was to bring all chieftains up to mk5 standards, this was from 1975, the mk10 was introduced in 1986
And i have a book printed in 1985 that says that all Frontline Chieftain’s had Thermal Imagers.
We need to take technological limitations of the era into account when we see terms like this, Night vision cameras were often called thermal imagers back then. Thermals as we know them today is a generational leap of the tech that wasn’t commonly known of at the time
Most of all that I was surprised, is the mobility of the tiger.
I was the first to arrive at the point in every battle and drove out the enemy LT from there. Now I don’t understand at all why the enemy on tigers never moves. They literally have the strongest tank.
But they prefer to use it as SPH.
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It Specifically calls out the TOG’s Mk1.
The TOG’s Box that had proper Thermal imagers.
Yeah the tiger moves faster than a 1950s mbt I don’t understand how germans arent running and gunning with it.
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thats interesting. what book is this? i want to have a gander at what it has
Modern Land Combat, By David Miller and Christopher F. Foss.
I got the year it was printed wrong, it was 1987, but eve then the latest mark it mentions is the MK10, and it specifically calls out the TOG’s system.
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And in late BR they campers at strongest 2A7)))))
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I have another book from 1996 that ALSO mentions Thermal imagers on the Chieftain Mk5, but its more broad in how it states things, its the Jane’s Tank Recognition Guide by Christopher F. Foss.
The book has a cursed abrams on the frontpage and a Bradley ADATS on page one yes? 1987 makes a bit more sense, there may have been a chance that they thought the TOGS installation wouldn’t get a new mark designation as it was just happening as it was being printed
The book has a cursed abrams on the frontpage and a Bradley ADATS on page one yes?
IDK, i don’t have the paper cover, mine is just a blank hard cover.
i found it on internet archive so I was trying to verify
That is the right book, As for the other one, printed in 1996, it mentions that EVERY Frontline Cieftian, no matter the mark, had been fitted with MK1 TOG’s, Along with all of them being fitted with the ability to mount the dozer blade the MK3 in game has.
Also, that book is filled with so many whacky cool Light Tank prototype’s that could come to the game.
thats a cool book. I just cant be sure on its accuracy as I’ve just looked at a few different sites and they all seem to contest each other on this. Fighting vehicles dot com seems to have the most accurate information from what I gather, they also appear to reference the most variants giving themselves a bit higher likelihood of being right.
the site shows the mk10 as just a mk9 renamed after stillbrew was installed and the mk11 as when the TOGs is mounted instead of the searchlight.