ok so did rheinmetall buy the cr2 or was it given by the uk army?
leased /loaned as you will, ownership changed to rheinmetall germany in that case
which goes back to the suggestion rules
why would the uk army lease or loan a tank to rheinmetall?
That is why i hate this topic. The debate never ends.
My opinion remains unchanged from what i said before.
more importantly, in the form of up gunned tanks, do you want the leopard with the 140mm also made by Rheinmetall or do you want the challenger with the 130mm, or do you want both? because you can only have one or the other.
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the source i gave literaly stated as well it was done for germany,
And about the name, the more official designation for it is the Rheinmetall 130 mm Demonstratorm thats why this was used for the german suggestion as well
because they want rheinmetall to develop the chally 3 and the ownership went to rheinmetall during that time
that is true, it will go as it goes
like i said i will take it as a win either way either it gets removed or i can say with reasoning to lque UK gets preferential treatment either way
Honestly myself have no problem with both nations getting them
okay, but if Germany get the Leopard 2 140mm then Britain should get the Challenger 130mm. that’s how it should be, and how it should go. If Germany get the 140mm then other nations should get something similar if they have something similar they can get. IE, 130mm Challenger for Britain, 130mm Abrams for America
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It was not for germany. If was for Rhein themself. But if you want to go that way ;)
Turret of Cr3 ;)
this it a bit off topic, but out of Curiosity @x_Shini, would you consider the Leos tested by Britain and South Africa to be fair game for the British Tree then?
Or the Leopard 1 Modified by Royal Ordinance with the 105mm IWS?
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no i dont think so.
i think that, like the lep, a number of cr2s may have been provided by the uk for rheinmetall to provide solutions for the replacement of the cr2.
solutions dependant of what the uk would require.
lets say they would be presented to the german army, where would they get more cr2s to make them? would the uk just give the cr2s away?
why? we can have both, kf51 130mm is german as well as is chally 130 and the 140mm german / swiss version
strictly speaken they can all be added to germany, there is no reason to restrict this, besies u not wanting it,
Its like saying the US should get most of their jets removed
not all nations will get it, its as simple as that, japan /israel or sweden wont get higher caliber tanks either
you arent entitled to it thats the thing
yes generaly for all current tank turrets, its highly interpretable
Why is there a challenger 3 argument in the challenger 2 thread?
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they are fair game yes, trialed vehicles are wonky, but in general as proven with sweden they do happen
not aware of that variant, but by the forum rules it would go to the nation which developed it, going by the name UK propably
its one of the reasons the leo 2a4m can went to germany as well
the modification is entirely german developed as well
Welcome to the forum
chally 130 is not a chally 3 strictly speaken, its a modified chally 2
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I’ve been here a while.
Cool story, and a challenger 3 is just a modified challenger 2.
Still has its own thread.