Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 1)

So the M1 Abrams really is an almost entirely torsion bar based system?

it’s complex, but essentially my final point is that tanks ingame have different (and sometimes superior or inferior) suspensions systems, which should be modelled.

I would rather they model torque & regenerative steering first. IMO far more important than individual features of different suspension systems.

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Agreed, regenerative steering could genuinely save a lot of British tanks from their currently snails pace gameplay.

I imagine a suspension change could come if they ever decide to make stabilisers more detailed, its not really accurate that the Centurion Mk.2 and Leopard 2A7 have just as good stabilisation as eachother. Suspension effectiveness could not only effect mobility, but also fire accuracy on the move.

Interestingly enough, the CV12 engine actually provides more torque than the MTU engine when both are uprated to 1500hp (around 6% more)

Id ask for a nice CVT Transmission and Regen which would effect a good amount of nations (not russia)
tho now that I think of it does the Chinese have regen…

I cant see them ever making stabs like IRL as soviet and by extension even modern russian stabs are dogshit lmao, if youve ever seen anything but T90M fire on the move then you know.

I thought by modelling autoloaders they might have been actually taking Russian tank’s weaknesses seriously, but no, the autoloaders just eat spall now lol

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Dont be silly, if they ever started treating things like the T80s reasonably they might lose sales.

Who would have thought, shocker. This actually makes me think, do the spall liners on Chally 2s work… uh, continue to work as intended? Asking because Gaijin broke Leopard 2s liners a while ago and still hasn’t fixed them.

I mean chally 2 is still missing 75% of its hull spall liners so…

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Ye that is not what i’m asking for tbh. I haven’t had the opportunity to compare Chally 2s spall cone to 2A7Vs, which is why I’m asking if y’all know if it still works “as intended” (i.e by reducing the angle of the spall cone).

Challenger 2

Side of Turret

Hull Front


Challenger 3 TD

Side of Turret

Hull Front


I don’t know what you use to measure the angle but here’s pictures at least.

Ok ye, Chally 2s liners are also borked (although to a lesser degree it seems). Looks like they’ve (Gaijin) broken (nerfed?) all of them.

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Never thought that Gaijin would stealth nerf all spall liners after the leopard 2 spall nerf.

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It was never Leo 2 only, Spall liner has the same code for all tanks

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They can change it tho, the material itself (aramide fabric) is more of a preset, kinda like leo_2A5_nera

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ik im late to the suspension argument but here, have challenger 2 getting its suspension thrashed on trials

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Well, exactly… how is it ever going to be proven that the hydrogas system has better offroad performance than a torsion bar system? Because at the end of the day, a good torsion bar system will be superior to a bad hydrogas system and vice versa. It’s like saying a diesel engine can go faster than a gas turbine engine.

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Gun looks very stable and the crewman sticking out the top doesnt look like he is being jostled around too much

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why must this be the most common pair up for britain at top tier :(

the summer sale of the clickbait goes hard rn