Let’s say that, when it literally can’t keep up with its 1200hp engine
1 Like
British mains praising and salivating over what is undoubtedly and factually the worst 3rd generation western MBT will never cease to be funny to me.
2 Likes
leave me alone im grieving! have you no heart!
1 Like
Please say you don’t take war thunder as fact! especially when it literally won the NATO tank competition. Challenger 2 tank triumphs in Nato competition ahead of Leopard and Abrams tanks
4 Likes
That’s just one of the many competitions that happened over the last 3 decades. The Leopard 2, Leclerc and Abrams all have won many more competitions than the Challenger 2. For instance, the Leclerc own the Lynx 6 competition in 2019. What you’re doing is called “nitpicking”.
Trials are a better reflection of tank’s capabilities and the Greek trials were absolutely humiliating for the Challenger 2. And yet, the upgraded Challenger 2E version was trialed … Here’s a compelling excerpt :
“The Challenger 2E was a bad surprise, although the version tested also carried the modern Europack assembly. Frequent breakdowns were found in the extreme transmissions, i.e. problems transmitting the engine’s power to the drive infrastructure. This seems to be justified at first sight by the fact that the British Challenger 2s carry a 1,200bhp engine versus the Europack’s 1,500, but it was obvious that no serious work had been done to integrate the new powertrain into the tank. Its much-vaunted armor was another negative surprise, being heavy and providing less protection than the LEO 2A5S and M1A2, but only marginally better than the Leclerc.”
It scored the lower out of all the MBTs trialed in pretty much all metrics.
The Challenger 2 is failed MBT from a design and a procurement point of view. It never was a good MBT and it never will be …
2 Likes
That was beautifully fitting.
1 Like
I could say your nitpicking competitions and trials where the challenger didn’t do so well, it goes both ways
1 Like
Well do it then. Show me trials where the Challenger 2 beat all the competition, made all the other MBTs bite the dust then.
1 Like
[quote=“totolescargo, post:9620, topic:20371”]
For instance, the Leclerc own the Lynx 6 competition in 2019
[/quote] Weird choice using a Competiton the challenger 2 didnt participate in as evidence of it being bad, why not choose from competition it did like Challenger 2 tank triumphs in Nato competition ahead of Leopard and Abrams tanks, https://www.natomultimedia.tv/app/asset/624742 or this one where it was a Draw between Leclerc and CR2 in a ROF/Acc competition
And the only documents ive seen really rip it apart were the Greek export attempt and the Swede trials both of which were using incredibly rushed Challenger 2E models.
Another odd statement considering its design is what has saved its crews again and again, procurement? im not really sure i’d call that a failure outside of the Export sales but then again very hard to compete in a tank export market flooded with Abrams and Leopards which are cheaper by nature of scale of producton number.
6 Likes
Well said.
Hasn’t it occurred to you that if the MoD can’t gather the resources to provide a properly prepared Challenger 2E model for the trials … TWICE, then perhaps the Challenger 2E is simply a terrible MBT ? lol
Arguing with Brits mains is worse than talking to a brick wall …
More importantly why are talking about the export variant that would have a different armour composition similar to the abrams export variant. The E was also rushed to trials When the Challenger 2E was returned the FCS was tested and found in good order. It was found that the main gun had soot and debris in the barrel. This was because the Greeks had been supplied with the old Challenger 1’s L23 APFSDS for the trials and as such the old L14A2 case charge, which was a modified for desert weather L14A1 and had been so hurriedly manufactured that WNC-supplied L8 combustible cases were modified to meet urgent deliveries for the Gulf War. It was the old L14A2 case charges that had been responsible for the debris in the barrel and fouling the shots fired in Greece… But we’ll gloss over that
3 Likes
Well thanks for ignoring 2 of the points entirely.
It had and have you considered that the Challenger 2 was always going to be a hard sell and would always require a fair amount of work to get it export ready, as was the case for Oman.
I think its fair to say the Challenger 2 is a EXPORT failure. But not a failure of a MBT, and if you sincerly think it is then your just ignoring the times where its design has clearly come through and saved the crew which is ultimately in my opinion the most important feature of a MBT designed around its protection.
4 Likes
Ah i remembered there being something fishy with the Greek trials i just couldnt remeber the specifics, but that explains that one. thanks for the info.
2 Likes
And the audacity to call me a British main when I’ve finished multiple ground tree’s lmao, I’ve wanted the Abrams, leclerc’s, type 90s, Leopards all buff’d to perform as they should.
its ok brother, you already murdered him in verbal combat. You may lay down your linguistic sword.
i mean yeah its funny being called a brit main when ive been playing Japan,Sweden, France and the US the past few months and only touched the UK for the AVRE event as it was easier to grind by just using the Fox + GR.7 combo at top tier to grind score.
1 Like
Chef’s kiss
It’s generally considered to be a great success from the initial design standpoint, which was an improved Challenger 1 with lessons from Desert Storm and an aim for cost savings due the end of the cold war.
Unfortunately in warthunder it does not fight the targets it’s intended to (the export T-72s and such equipping much of the non-west aligned middle east), nor has the support assets for the stuff it can’t fight effectively (an effective cas support network of brimstone equipped aircraft for example).
Critical features of the CR2 like ease of maintenance, & the extended ranges of the FCS just don’t matter in game.
It doesn’t do well in competitions simply because the competitions aren’t aligned with the design goals of CR2. Even then it wins gunnery competitions and such here and there, See Iron Spear 2023 for example.
1 Like
Challenger 2E was a private venture by Vickers. It had nothing to do with the MOD.
1 Like