How is the hull spall liner research going?
Nothing for the sides, lfp is proven
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If they add it for the LFP, that will be a huge deal!
Kind of a shame spall-liners function like ERA and disappear after only 1 shot, but I can see why they did it. Many people already hate one-off spall liners, imagine if they could take multiple hits, hahahah.
Did you report the lfp then?
Having a spall liner down there will be a massive buff.
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Then it will be on at some point during the remodel i hope
any source?
however it should be 40, which means 4:45= 1:1125
The thickness should be 50mm* 1.125= 56.25
I would love for this add-on plate to come for all Challengers. This plate, plus the potential improvement of the hull armor, addition of spall liners in the LFP and the mantlet fix, would make of Challenger 2 a worthy opponent once again, at last!
gaijin： sooooooooon (new folder）
In 2020 only France and ITA can penetrate our hull
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@Fireball_2020 if the hook is 45mm, the plate should be 55-60
maybe this plate is 60 or 55. However, I am sure that it could not be 50mm , that is because 50:40:30
Why does it not shock me that this Russian company even underestimates the density of DU.
It’s not even funny at this point. It’s just pathetic.
It’s hard to face facts through a wall of patriotism I’m afraid, no matter how much evidence there is to suggest values of density there will be no change until we have a credible document clearly stating values. But in fairness gaijin have been much more open to suggestions lately such as getting the mantlet on the cr2 reworked so overall I’m not complaining.
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Yeah GJN seems to think the Brits are magicians. First they manage to make NERA/ERA armour kits which offer less protection than cardboard boxes, and now we’ve got a DU sabot with a density lower than any Uranium isotope.
ThErE iS nO nAtIoNaL bIaS!!!1
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To be fair APFSDS rounds aren’t made of either pure Depleted Uranium or Tungsten, they are alloys and do in fact have lower densities than what you’ll find for the pure metals. Additionally, 3BM 42 (a Russian shell) has the lowest density for a Tungsten allow shell in the game at only 17000 kg/m^3 which is below the games tungsten density average of 17500 kg/m^3, and 152 mm XM578E1 (a shell used by Germany and the USA) has the highest Tungsten density of 18500 kg/m^3, so I don’t really think this is a matter of Russian Bias so much as Gaijin doing their usual thing of wanting to use averages for everything. So unless there’s a document that directly states the density of L27A1 (as I’m assuming that’s why XM578E1 and 3BM 42 have different densities to all other tungsten APFSDS rounds in game) Gaijin aren’t going to change the densities of the shell.
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I’m well aware they use alloys.
Another use of depleted uranium is in kinetic energy penetrators, anti-armor rounds such as the 120 mm sabot rounds fired from the British Challenger 1, Challenger 2,[36] M1A1 and M1A2 Abrams.[37] Kinetic energy penetrator rounds consist of a long, relatively thin penetrator surrounded by a discarding sabot. Staballoys are metal alloys of depleted uranium with a very small proportion of other metals, usually titanium or molybdenum. One formulation has a composition of 99.25% by mass of depleted uranium and 0.75% by mass of titanium. Staballoys are approximately 1.67 times as dense as lead and are designed for use in kinetic energy penetrator armor-piercing ammunition. The US Army uses DU in an alloy with around 3.5% titanium.
19,050g to 18,600 is a 2.4% reduction in density. So according to GJN, the other metal used by the UK for their DU alloy has negative mass.
As amazing as us British are, even we haven’t created a purely theoretical form of matter just yet.
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18600 kg/m^3 is simply the standard that Gaijin uses for all DU APFSDS rounds in game not just British ones, if you don’t think it makes sense you could try bug reporting it which if successful would result in all DU ammo in game being buffed.
Technically their figure for the US dart is roughly accurate. But it’s impossible for the UK dart to have that density.
I don’t bother submitting bug reports for this game anymore. Total waste of time when they get concrete evidence and sources, and still say “nah, we believe it should be this way matey.”
