Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 1)

I wish this wasn’t the case, we spend so much time grinding to top tier, only to play an incredibly imbalanced, poorly thought out game mode, where the meta isn’t even ground vehicles.

And that’s ignoring the poorly modelled vehicles of the ‘other’ nations, as we know with the CR2.

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The problems of top tier and alot of tanks live rent free in my head.

I wish for all up-armored MBTs to be just a good a STRV/2A7/BVM/T90M yet they all are trash OR they haven’t been added yet to the nations that need them.

War Kit Ariete/TES/OES/SXXXI Are simply not good up-armored MBTs or are…

Poorly modeled and Gaijin doesn’t care enough to make them Balanced.

At some point, game play balance and parity needs to take precedence over realism and historically accuracy.

My only hope for top tier is for there to be a full RB between the base chally and equivalents and the meta tanks like 2A7V

yeah. Think we all wish that.

Top Tier Ground needs to go to 12.3 or 12.7

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Then the Current 11.0-11.7 need to be redistributed between 11.0-12.3/12.7

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That’s the thing, they will never be equal to the leos and strv’s just like irl because they were made with different doctrines in mind.
Take the TES/OES. They are some serious chunky bois so ofc their mobility will suck compared to the strv’s, and other stuff like crew positions, hull spall liner, etc etc

Thats what gaijin should do, but we’ve dug our grave there with the notion of being a historically accurate game, if they do this it would be held against them to be used against other vehicles.
" If you artificially buffed the challies, why not buff the T80? Britain Bias "
They would be forced to either buff everything or nerf the chally back ( which they’ll chose)

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Gamplay Balance and parity should take precedence over “muh doctrine”. You take a look at all ERA tanks for NATO, are any of ERA tanks even good? SepV2/TES/OES/PSOs/Azure. No not really, their ERA packages are just a waste, they offer no advantages over their downsides. Maybe Leo PSO being the most usable simply because its a Leopard.

Gaijin has dug their grave with choosing when and where they apply their bullshit Historically Accurate to WT. The community would mostly understand if Gaijin deviated from history given good reason BUT instead Gaijin nit picks and leaves gaping inconsistency in regards to realism and accuracy. Which is where people have the problem with Gaijin’s inconsistencies.

Yes buffs are needed for the Challenger 2/3s (As well as all minor nation tanks). Why go through the effort of adding top tier tanks to the game when they are utter dogshit and don’t fit or are so incomprehensibly poorly modeled…Laughs in Merkava

There is 0 reason for anyone to play anything aside from BVMs/STRV/Leopards. So shouldn’t in theory other tanks be brought to the level that those vehicles sit at?

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Beacuse the top 3 (4) nations need targets and thats what the CR series tanks are
Italy have a Leopard 2A6/7
France are getting the Dutch subtree and they will have a 2A6NL maybe a 2A8

That leaves Britain with a weaker worse version than a Leopard 2A6.

Gaijins solution is to give everyone a Leopard, T-series tank or an M1

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Which is absurd. Instead of making a county’s domestic tank viable/good,

Gaijin is instead taking the route of simply throwing Leopards at every country because Leopards are the best all-round tank.

Most people don’t want Leopards in their tree. they want their domestic tanks to be usable.

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Only the 130mm Chally can save us

Nah, that won’t come, nor will it come to the UK tree. it’s entirely rhinemetal’s own thing and all german tech as a private venture. ergo, should probably go there.

No, only one thing can make Britain meta at top tier. Just need to get a handful of kills for this:

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoGKPMmdGDk

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If gaijin is looking for larger guns for all nations, the 130 TD will likely go to the UK and Germany would get the KF51 Panther with the same gun.

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Hi, is there any information why the side ERA on the Cr2OES is worse than on the TES?

Just gaijin things

Its only visual. They both are 30KE/500CE

Okay, thank you.

yeah i will agree with baron the challenger 130 altough its a solo venture from rheinmetall i think it fits in the UK tech tree for the reason that germany can get a KF51 wich means germany will still get a 130 mm base aswell not only the UK

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I’m almost certain it will go to the GB tree.

  1. Germany dosen’t need a new high tier tank, the UK does. Gaijin does take this into account, even if people try and say they don’t.
  2. The tank is still basically just a Challenger 2 with a new gun, yes the turret is new but the CR3 TD turret (which I believe it is based on) shares a lot with the Challenger 2 turret.
  3. The entire hull is British.
  4. It never entered service with Germany, its just a prototype, so gaijin has no obligation to give it to Germany.
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Britain has nothing to do with it either, Rhinemetal had some CR2s laying around and the turret is easier to modify than a Leopard turret. It should go to germany :shrug:
You’d probably feel differently if it was the Leopard with the Royal Ordance improved L7 being suggested for the german tree