Japan has spent 10Bn less USD than the UK consistently for more than the last 20 years on defence, and they’re ahead by pretty much every metric in terms of units, quality etc.
(They have more advanced destroyers built post-2000 than we have total surface escorts).
And seeing as France manage similarly well, I’m convinced anyone but the MoD could do it.
its a little sensationalized ment to be a dig at laserpig who he has a beef with and laserpig did a video on the CR2 a while back. either way the chally 2 as is, needed to be upgraded and hey it is. who could have seen that coming
Yeah - don’t bother with Redeffect when it comes to anything used in a certain current conflict… videos pre-2022 are usually sort-of-okay. A bit rose-tinted when it comes to Soviet-era stuff, but no worse than a Brit would be about UK Cold War stuff like the Lightning.
Post 2022? If we put aside the (now deleted) ‘Javelin Top Attack doesn’t work!’ video… he basically reads the glossy sales brochure from Ural Novzozgozoroadjklwigglyword (however the hell they spell that) and presents it as gospel. That’s about it.
Western tanks on the other hand are really bad, according to the company who currently manufactures T-72s. So they must be.
He hasn’t quite made the jump into weapons-grade moon-howler territory (technical term) but we’re seeing a few worrying signs of a slide into Z-think. He needs to drink more tea and learn to queue.
I won’t post them here as I’m not sure if they are allowed to be posted
There some interesting pictures on Twitter circulating of a Ukrainian Challenger 2 which took a HEAT shell to the turret face (as well as a hit to the coupola and another part of the tank) and survived.
The external layer of paint/skin of the armour has been blown off, showing the fixings below. The mantlet has the exact same fixings as the turret face, this could indicate the mantlet does infact have composite armour?
I saw a burning CR2 that had catastrophically detonated from a Lancet hit. The quality is low but the tank the observation drone is following is definitely a CR2
Not publicly available information your report has been closed
It does sort of look like a Challenger 2, but the footage is really grainy its hard to tell
The Cupola and the Barrel reference sensor were the big give aways for me
low resolution, lots of cuts, the bitrate is so bad it’s difficult to tell if it’s the same place and the smoke covers the roads which doesn’t help, they never show the actual destroyed vehicle, and it’s completely obscured by trees when the impact happens. I’d want to see more footage and/or photos tbh
With the only confirmed CR2 destruction last year the images and video were plastered across the internet in HD and 4K by any vatnik with access to a keyboard. The fact that we seem to have super grainy, badly resolved and heavily edited film that looks like it was filmed on a cheap 1990s webcam … I’m leaning towards a massive pinch of salt.
Remember how many F-16s were shot down before they’d even been in-country… there is previous for making stuff up.
Swerving back onto topic rapidly.
I’m sure we will see some higher quality photos soon, if it really was a Challenger 2 Russia will be doing anything to get a drone over there to get a high quality photo
My main point is not about the Challenger 2’s performance
Its the fact the photo idicates the mantlet has the same armour fixing as the turret face and therefore likely has composite armour
Soo.
This photo still only shows quite a limited part of the mantlet
We cant see how the top or front part of the mantlet is armoured
As i said
We know nothing about the top part.
Here’s a good rendering of the CR2 Mantlet
Grey/Black = Armoured
White = Hollow
Yellow = Cables
Green = Fixing pins
Here is my very simple MS paint render of what I think the inside of the mantlet could look like based on the photos and the position of the fixing pins
The bottom part is hollow to contain the electronics, with a hole through the armour for the machinegun
The rest could potentially contain armour, indicated by the location of the fixing pins seen in the photos on twitter
We also see from the photo that only one side of the mantlet has cables extending from it towards the gun, so the mantlet on the other side of the gun may not be hollow at all at the bottom
either way, Mantlet cheeks still wrong.
Now that I look at that more I see an error.
Oooh. Nearly to part 2 :P
Busy (hopefully) trying to get frigate nunbers up.