those were part of the 120mm tests.
the 130mm was another project,
Or do you have proof for your claims?
dotSHINI explained it more in detail, and while he could provide more sources, im inclined to believe his version, solely because it wouldnt make sense to me, from legal point of view, to modify and repaint a tank hull you dont own for marketing purposes.
Imagine the legal circus should something expensive breaks as direct result of modification done … on leased tank.
Like, imagine renting a car in order to modify it for street racing, only to undo all modifications that were done when you finish the street race and go to return it.
Believe it or not, you have to recalibrate the optics and fire control system when putting a bigger gun in the tank. That has to be done with the support of the OEM
yes
"The main objective for Rheinmetall is the MGCS programme, in which the 130 mm competes against Nexter’s 140 mm proposal. “ The way ahead - EDR Magazine
i agree, but with the statements you demerit the actual work behind integrating all the stuff, the turret was temporarily remodelled as well to accomandate the bigger gun and autoloader
and thats all i want, cause if they dont do it. I can bet your ass on germany getting the short end of the stick. challenger 130 in uk only, KF51s in italy only even 130mm and EMBTs going to france.
Germany has to go down this path, or we are missing on half of our development projects.
Challenger 130 is likely the smallest actual one. But we cant allow a precedent.
And it just foxes me that so many demerit germanys actual work in the project,
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We still ragebaiting in 2026 bruh?
and again, who says they didnt switch out the fcs while they are at it, to sth they are more knowledegable about and is better integrated to the 130mm.
There is few known about the actual capabilities of the challenger 130 and we have to go by what is officaly known. We simply dont know if or how much of participation was done by UK.
But simply cause of that we are so fair and say it should just be added to both nations
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To be fair german player were more than against the addition of the SK105 in the french tech even though the gun was french. I won’t speak about the puma hull with the french oscillating turret added only to Germany for a really long time.
I have no opinion on challenger 130 but saying that Germany always get the short end of the stick…
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??? its 100% german
that one i cant say much about, it was before my time.
I dont know ifgermans where against it. but i know french complained a lot.
So that gajin gave them the austrian one that was planned for germany and germany got the argentinian one as a result.
i think you mean the marder. And yes, it was unfair and i regulary called them out on it as well.
I am realy happy they decided to add the Clovis to both nations right of the bat.
i never said that
I thought so, the thought of Germany adopting a hull built with imperial measurements and tooling is very funny. I can imagine the engineers faces.
No demerit was intended, it was a superb piece of work. I wonder how “functional” it really was. I doubt the fcs was fully integrated and stuff but it’s still an achievement to get an autoloader and new fun into the turret.
Agreed. I don’t see any good reason Germany wouldn’t get the kf51 tbh. Leopard 2 hull, German gun and turret. It would be silly for Germany not to get it.
This has inspired me to do some reading and I’ve just read about the Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0, now that would be a good vehicle with its unmanned turret. You could have a 120mm tech tree one, a 130mm premium and a 140mm tech tree one. Would be a great lineup.
i mean, rheinmetall itself stated that the whole reason they choose the challenger was just cause its fatter then leos and easier to modifiy.
They were being lazy, which is completly fair and the smart choice when it was already in germany either way.
it did only shoot while standing still, but at least we know the turret was actualy able to move, which wouldnt have been a certain thing.
tell that the KF41. But generaly The KF51 with 120mm cannon is gonna be the soon in service vehicle of both hungary and italy. Knowing gajin it is completly in their intrest or way to deny the KF51 to germany to make italy/hungary the KF51 specific country for the future and their “specialty”
neither exists. It was only made /shown of with the 120mm at this point of time
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And somehow this proprietary Rheinmetall FCS software perfectly integrates with Thales hardware for the sights and muzzle reference system that are visibly still present on the 130mm vehicle, and the associated gunner controls?
When they could just rope in the Thales engineers who were already in Germany to support the 120mm gun tests and have been working with Rheinmetall since 2016, to recalibrate the muzzle reference system to the 130mm gun’s geometry and input Rheinmetall’s ballistic data from your dismounted test program.
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and again, like swingfire pointed out already
Its questionable if it even had a big fcs integration. it only fires straight. It doesnt need deep integration for that at the shown distance
Thats the point, we dont know, and you cant prove the part of participation
With the way things are going rn Gaijin is gonna make a Rheinmetall subtree for Italy, put it there and screw over both Germany and the UK.
I would grind it there too……
🤔 now hear me out now what about if we give it to……
France
It’s geographically located between both the uk and Germany and it could go to 11.7 as a halfway house to the leclerc.
Non-trialed vehicles, for the purposes of suggestions, always and exclusively go to their nation of production. Rheinmetal is a German company,
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Technically it’s RBSL which is the rheinmetall bae systems land which is a joint business subsidiary of both companies it’s a joint project so belongs to both
its not. it was rheinmetall germany alone.
it was never a join venture
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Okay so let me ask you the following;
Where tf are these 2 in the german tech-tree? Last time I checked, the Leopard 2A4 hull was not developed in finland/sweden nor britain?
Also just fyi a lot of the “L7’s” in german vehicles are actually Rh 105-30, 105-40 and 105-60’s, which have some striking differences (mainly regarding the recoil-force) to the L7 [although in fairness both gun-series were used on production and prototype vehicles].
Aslong as the UK doesnt service the vehicle and its existence remains as a Rheinmetall demonstrator/prototype (which btw seems to have been tested at Rheinmetalls firing range in Unterlüss, germany - atleast I do recognize some of the stuff in the video @dotSHINI linked above from my TH 301 & TH 301/A4 research) both tech trees have their rights to receive it.
Also, even the chally hull isnt entirely british <3
