unfortunately you didnt read half my statement in original post.
If theres gonna be “exception” for every TT, why USSR must be left out? Fact that light tanks are extinct irl doesnt impact WT, just as fact TDs are extinct doesnt impact WT.
Tank armarment. Saying its not is just stupid, what IFV has long 75 mm cannon again ?
Nations in game have lots of stuff they never developed yet got in game, so why USSR must be an exception?
ussr isnt the only exception, the mayority of countries doesnt have them, ussr specialy doesnt need it if it has other alternatives
still massive difference between 75mm and 120mm
lots of stuff? those you mean either didnt have a place anywhere else, close historical relations. the stupid t-80u and t-90s are the exception. the helicopter has the reasoning becausee sweden wouldnt have any heli tree at all. Besides that those russian tanks have no worth with copies, similar tanks being available in multiple other trees. While a special signature tank like the Centauro should stay exclusive to italy
majority of nations in wt have lgiht tanks to add in that BR range, USSR doesnt.
Doesnt make it an IFV armarment, my point stands.
T72s, Leopard 2a4s, Leopard A1A5, M60&M48, T-90,T-80, F-16s, Tornados, F-4s, Apaches, Mi28s, Tigers are.
Theres 4 countries having them, Russia could be another one, doesnt make it more signature than T-90 and T-80U.
lies again bmpt and kurganets 25 would specialy fit in, even in the suggestion is said
the bmpt 3 , spurt and bmd 4 do the same job as like bmpt and kurganets just that those 2 are better at it, the suggester pretty much gives a reason himself why they shouldnt be added
like i said those are all employed by the countries, or have a reason to be their
which 4 countries have the Centauro lmao you are talking nonsense
Tell me what would the centauro do that the bmpt or the kurganets wouldnt be able to do equaly or better?
Probably means irl but italy currently is the only nation that is in war thunder with them
And spain would hopefully be at sub tree for italy
Alot of peoples opinion before hungary got added was that spain should be the sub tree to avoid more of the C&P eastern stuff
spanish centauro is already in the game, that is the VRCC if i am right as an italian premium
You still ignorw my original point.
You again, ignore the point.
So you finally agree it is indeed a lot.
Italy: 259 B1 Centauro.
Jordan: 141 B1 Centauro
Oman: 9 B1 Centauro, modified variant with 120 mm gun.
Spain: 84 B1 Centauro, designated VRCC
Evaluation-only operators:
Russia
Italy agreed to give Russia its Centauro and Freccia tanks, seeing possible buyer.
Iconic vehicles from nations constantly get given to other nations as well, so why should Centauro be an exception?
If you think ATGMs are equal to APDSFS in a way of both damage, accuracy and reaction speed you can achieve with either, then I suggest playing the game.
i didnt you point is nonsense
again nonsense
stop misquoting
italy and spain in the game, jordan and oman are minor nations
Russia only got the vehicles for research to mimic the US that got the centauro as well to help develop the M1128, just that russia did jackshit with the information
in many situations they even are superior thanks for proving my point
it simple you yourself have no good enough reason why the centauro should be placed into the russian tree and are clinging to the thought they tested it for research did jackshit with the information and as a result should get it, with the same thought germany gets f15, f16, f20s and more because they tested and evaluated them.
On equal terms it does not fill any br gap, because those are filled by bmpts or kurganets which in some senses are superior with unmanned turrets, superior armor
Then I hold yours as total nonsense. My point still stands, Centauro can be a light tank addition for USSR, if anyone wants to suggest something else of sorts im willing to listen.
I have only misproven them, “stop misquoting”
Never knew you examined whatever wheeled vehicles Russia has made since 2012 to go with that point lol.
You completely refuse to read my original post.
not needed, the gap gets filled by bmpt an kurganets, prove to me it doesnt
There is always the BTR 100
I know of it but considering it has 100mm gun which doesnt get access to anything T-55AM-1 does,meaning it has less pen than Leopard 1, I dont see it being anywhere higher than 8.7. Sure it would be unique but considering 8.7 USSR has no gaps to speak of, it can be added maybe as premium.
The soviet probably decided that wheeled light tanks with the more standard modern mbt canons wasnt worth it as they would mostly be fighting in the open spaces of the north european plain.
Italy for contrast had most of their tanks stationed near the alps because that is where the border between them and the east was and the Centauros were used as rapid response forces if someone were to navaly invade further down the peninsula
There were light tanks soviet designs,both wheeled and tracked, they werent accepted for the weaponry (long 85mm, lightened 100mm, Sprut has been in development since USSR and wss first tested in 1990, only to be refused, retested in 2005 and accepted in 2006.
Reason for Russia not buying italian wheeled vehicles is fact they cant start in cold weather, not even talking of snow level temperature.
yes because they got exported , they became a major part of other nations military, this is th to be proud of not a reason why russia should get italy centauros
response to US testing the exact same vehicles and russia feeling it necesary to do the same
this one was a mistake not a reason for russia to get the same, besides that sweden is way smaller and has less alternatives to get added to their tree
because tank armaments often get replaced with atgms now because they can do the same job with the benefit of needing less space
BMPTs and the Kurganet 25 perfect addition to add there , same br range with same job
italian used those tanks
they got removed after israel got added as a tree
again those tanks were used by the nations or tested and filled important gaps in the tree like the japanese spaa line
because like i already showed it has no reason to be their
any addition of the centauro in the russian is a bad way, russia already gets vehicles , premiums events, from czech, which ever nation the main user of the T72AV was , Slovakia with the T.72M2 , there is so many nations that already got added into the russian tree with closer relationships, search for an alternative there
Tldr, you named no valid reason why the centauro should be added
Italy intended to export Centauro and Freccia if Russia was further interested in them after trials, your point?
Thats a point to irl, not to the game.
You ignore original post.
I still see Merkavas in USA.
so basically the same way i am suggesting Centauro with?
Post soviet countries, post Warsaw pact countries.
I suggest reading original post.
They are event vehicles
i literaly read trough your original post and answered to everything the hell, you arent even aware anymore yourself what you wrote