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Loading time should not be affected by the member group, and the number of members in the group should be 3. The ammunition ready to be fired in the autoloader should be 6 rounds automatically plus 6 rounds manually, not just 6 rounds.Using the same structure, the loading time of the T58 and French tanks is much faster than that of the Centauro2; the loading time should not be 5 seconds
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5 seconds autoloaded is fine. theres no official numbers for the ROF of the autoloader.
in the files, the Centauro 2 is listed as “autoloader = true”. its just unfinished in the dev server.
If that’s the case, why can the T58 with the same autoloader structure and French tanks achieve 2.6 seconds or 4 seconds? Do you mean that the current ones can’t compare to the previous ones? Moreover, the T58 uses 155mm armor-piercing shells.
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the T58s autoloader had a nasty habit of jamming IRL.
Anyways theres still no released ROF for the centauro 2. its all classified. most that can be done is assumptions.
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This is exactly what I am dissatisfied with: Gaijin had no idea what this vehicle was actually supposed to be when they created it, and they refuse to accept information and make corrections. Even if the widely circulated ‘3-second reload’ online is not true, it still couldn’t possibly be so slow. Moreover, the Centauro 2 in the game has more inexplicable internal structures compared to the previous generation, including but not limited to the ‘power supply system’ in the front of the vehicle, which means its ability to survive through structure has been stripped away. Losing survivability while its firepower has actually regressed—if this is true in the game, I can’t think of any reason not to use the Centauro 1. And if this is also true in reality,having obtained worse weapons at a higher price.
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There’s no need for this, I suggest you to delete the last two comments
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hes the one that said it first. i deleted mine. up to him.
Even this my man.
ill remove it once he removes his.
You do as you wish, that was just my suggestion to you.
First, regarding the term ‘three-second reload,’ the simplest source is a test video of the Centauro 2, which you should be able to find on YouTube. If you want to be more serious, it has also participated in military exercises in Latvia, Poland, and other places, and there are videos showing rapid fire on the move. Its rate of fire is not as long as 5 seconds, and it demonstrates the fast loading capability of the HitFact MK2 turret very well. Second, I never said 5 seconds is slow; the 5-second reload on Centauro 1 and Ariete is excellent. However, neither of these vehicles has good survivability—they can only survive by flanking and relying on their vehicle structure. In Centauro 2, I am sure you can’t rely on the vehicle structure anymore because it is completely filled, and the reverse speed has been drastically reduced, only slightly faster than the T-80 series. This means that one wrong decision makes retreat difficult, which is fatal for a wheeled vehicle, especially when the automatic ammunition rack only holds 6 rounds. What does 6 rounds mean? Suppose you encounter a BMPT or a T-90M, 122B+ type tank. You only have six chances. I haven’t even taken into account network lag or shaky hands, but if you circle to the enemy’s side and only have six opportunities, firing every 5 seconds without guaranteed kills, would you think this vehicle is worthwhile? Third, my point has never been ‘Italians should die.’ What I mean is,
Videos cannot be used as proof. without an official ROF number, its up to gaijin balancing. ive seen the videos, and most dont show a full reload process.
the “current assets” before the B2 were B1 105s. the B2 is a substantial upgrade over everything else that we had before. in what way is the B2 worse than the B1 105s we had?
And sorry, but i think using the term “Italians should be extinct” is not exactly something positive and implies certain things.
Next time before you’re in a hurry to scold someone, maybe you should try reading it a couple more times and try to understand what the other person is really trying to express.I think I expressed myself very clearly: ‘If Italians spent more money just to get worse equipment, they should have already gone extinct.’ This sentence simply means that I am complaining about the Centauro 2’s performance in the game being completely worse than the current Centauro 1, because it’s not like that in the real world.I also admit that my English level is not that good.There really is no official basis for the ‘3-second reload,’ because the HitFact MK2 turret is still a new Italian project and isn’t publicly disclosed. But perhaps we shouldn’t just make up data because there is no official information? For the ZTZ-99A and VT-4, the reload times before they were upgraded were also completely fabricated. However, the 99A has a country, an officially released complete reload video, and an armor-piercing capability test video, and the VT-4 also has a corresponding manual from the exhibition, not the so-called ‘7.1, 577.’ They also only received slight upgrades much later. In my opinion, these examples are simply the result of Gaijin trying to attract players while lacking actual strength, so they chose to make a ‘flavor’ vehicle that makes players feel angry.
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In addition, I am an Italian player myself, so I am very aware that this car cannot compare to the Centauro 120 I already have; otherwise, I wouldn’t be venting my dissatisfaction on the Centauro 2.
Right, i believe ive understood what you meant.
its not “then perhaps the Italians should be extinct”, but “italians would have already gone extinct”.
The first implies that italians are not yet extinct, but should. the second implies that italians would have gone extinct in the past by following what you described.
I do apologise for coming off as aggressive. i had misunderstood what you meant.
For the reload, videos cannot be used, as ive stated before. there were plenty of videos showing the ZTZ99A reloading, from goverment and independent sources, but gaijin denied them in the past.
I still dont believe that the centauro 2 as it is now performs worse than the previous B1s. it accelerates much faster and has much better survivability. for the reload, 5 seconds is, in my opinion, good enough. 4 seconds would be preferable obviously, but i am content with the current reload. autoloaded 5 seconds is better than manual 5 seconds.
No worries, buddy, it’s completely normal for people to argue in the forums :)
Back to the issue, I also think that a 5-second auto-loading is really great because it isn’t affected by the member group and is very stable. The problem lies with the ready-to-fire ammunition capacity. The Centauro 120/RGO uses manual loading, has 9 rounds of ready-to-fire ammo, and after firing, it can continue loading at a minor cost without waiting, which ensures its sustained firepower. As for the Centauro 2, its 6-round ammo rack is also excellent before running out, and even under conditions with fewer crew members, it can better maintain sustained firepower. But after 6 rounds? You have to wait for the ammo to be transferred to the ready-to-fire rack before the autoloader starts loading. The entire process includes the time to wait for ammo transfer, the time to transfer the ammo, and the autoloader loading time. Isn’t that a bit too long? If you’re not very familiar with the current performance of the Centauro 120/RGO, I’d be happy to lend you my game account to experience it. Once you check out the new Centauro later, you’ll understand why I’m so disappointed.
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Oh dont worry bro. i have uh… experience with italy
I have been trying the B2 and i can understand the concern. for this we can go to the CV90120
IRL, the first 6 rounds are in the autoloader. the other 6 are supposed to be loaded either manually into the gun or into the autoloader.
So we have a similar situation on our hands.
Gaijin models all 12 rounds as in the autoloader.
IRL, the B2 loader would either load them into the gun manually, or load them into the autoloader.
I will give you a chance to edit out your comments to each other, As i’d rather not close a topic regarding dev server stuff but if i have to i will.
You can argue, But don’t insult each other or call for a nation to be extinct.
gotcha. sorry for the issues.
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