CCKW 353 P512: Elusive French SPAA

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Welcome again, in this suggestion we’ll be having a look at a rather elusive French SPAA system, the CCKW 353 truck with a P512 turret

This is a curious and just as mysterious French SPAA system. We know pretty much nothing about it, but I wanted to present it here regardless. The CCKW 353 P512 is a post-war anti-air system developed by ‘La Précision Moderne’. This seems to have been a firm specialized in electrical and mechanical products. The turrets were made between 1949 and 1950, and we know that at least 3 of them have been constructed. 3 Examples took part in the 1951 military parade in France. The chassis is a standard GMC CCKW 353 truck that we already have in-game, one even in the French tree already. The vehicle is powered by the default 92 hp engine and weighs 4.7 tons without the turret.

The turret itself is a quadruple mount featuring German 20mm MG151 cannons. After the armistice, France found itself in possession of quite a few of these, which is why you’ll see them on a lot of early post-war vehicles. This known and loved armament is a rather capable anti-aircraft weapon. It has a rate-of-fire of up to 700 rounds/minute and has good shell ballistics. The turret is capable of rotating the full 360 degrees. We sadly have no information on the traverse speed, nor on the elevation limits or speed. I assume this information can all be found in an archive somewhere, but sadly I cannot personally go look for it.

General characteristics

  • Crew: 4(?) Driver and commander up front, gunner and loader in the turret
  • Length: 6.5m
  • Width: 2.2m
  • Height: 2.5m
  • Weight: More than 4.7 tons
  • Engine: GMC 270 inline 6-cylinder providing 92 hp
  • Max speed: 80 km/h on roads
  • Power to weight: Less than 19 hp/t

Armament

  • Main armament: 4x 20mm MG151
  • Rate-of-fire: 700 rounds/barrel/minute, for a total of 2800 rounds/minute

In-game

This vehicle could be a rank 2-3 SPAA option for the French tree. The tree could really do with a bunch of gap fillers in this line and that is where this vehicle can come in. Admittedly the lack of information on it could make an implementation difficult. It’s probably advisable to first look at other options that can fill in the same gap. However, given its uniqueness and undeniable potential, I do feel like the vehicle could have a place in-game.

Sources

https://www.militarytrader.com/military-vehicles/military-vehicle-spotlight-1943-gmc-cckw
Armament of Luftwaffe - MG-151
Image #2 in this post
Google Books

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+1. You know, Gaijin has implemented so many mysterious vehicles with obscure origins or simply some paper vehicles (totally or partially) that adding this one wouldn’t be impossible. What’s more, Gaijin already has 3/4 of the elements already implemented, so it wouldn’t require too much effort on their part.

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That looks absolutely amazing!
Definitely a +1!

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I absolutely love it and I need it yesterday. +1

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+1 for french wirlbeltruck

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according to these documents who is listing the vehicles that were taking part in the parade on 14 july 1951

10 of them were taking part in the parade. but it also have important details there

it also lists the crew.
for the 10 trucks, there were 10 commanders, 10 drivers, and 20 gun crewmember (servants)
if we do the calculation, we get a crew of 4 men for each vehicle.

  1. Drive (chauffeur)
  2. commander (chef de piece)
  3. Gunner (servant)
  4. loader (servant)

we can see here the turret is a 2 men crew. the head are visible above the turret

and i reupload the picture who’s are dead link

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This would have certainly been a much more interesting SPAA than the AMX VCI for low tier. But well. At least we do have another SPAA. Maybe later this one will be considered…

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I found the AMX-ACI to be quite interesting personally, but this would be a great addition too.

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Well it’s still merely an amx 13 chassis with a clasdic 50cal mount that you can find in several other trees but yeah, at least we got one.

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thi one is a 20mm


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a rare one i wasn’t aware of , absolute +1

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+1

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More SPAA to deal with CAS, a better place will get.

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