CAS problem

[MotorolaCRO]

@FlyingDoctor

The worst thing about this whole advice that you put out is that it’s pointless to even try and that makes people NOT try…

You need to realize that if your AA is easily outranged by CAS, spawning it won’t change that situation at all and now you’re stuck in a vehicle that can’t really challenge tanks optimally. It’s basically a lose-lose situation.

@FlyingDoctor

Where if you’d spawned SPAA, used artillery and tried to get something, you’d still be able to spawn a plane.

You spawn AA to counter air. If your vehicle can’t do that then it’s by far the worst thing you can spawn, of course if you aren’t totally out of SP.

[anastasia001122]

Please take it to PM, this thread is going off-topic.

thank you.,

[Hudler]

Typical CAS topic on this forum goes like this:

-check cas topic
-TO is proposed to solve problems, allowing cas players and tank only players to both enjoy the game how they want
-see flyingdoctor mental gymnastics, gaslighting and screeching about how he don’t want people enjoy the game other way than he do
-ulq is destroying him in posts
-flyingdoctor is flagging and derailing the topic
-mods are closing topic

The pattern recognition is strong here

[Hudler]

Hey, i don’t like you, but it wasn’t even me who flagged you.

It’s nice o see i am not the only one who disagrees with you

@FlyingDoctor

It’s alright, it’s clear where the true issue is, and that’s the want for an echochamber and for those who wish to feed the whinge to make an unmanageable, and uncounterable force of plebs to fight their battles for them.

This is it:

@Hudler

-flyingdoctor is flagging and derailing the topic

[FlyingDoctor]

@Hudler

It’s nice o see i am not the only one who disagrees with you

You’re just talking smack without any basis of fact…

@Hudler

-flyingdoctor is flagging and derailing the topic

I don’t flag this garbage anymore, it was pointless then, and it’s still pointless now…

[DESPAIR7991]

Someone flagged your comment?

Is someone fighting you with your own style?

[FlyingDoctor]

Maybe read the posts for once.

And if you can’t answer this…

@FlyingDoctor

Can you highlight where I actually called anyone ‘silly’ as you put out here, because I’m just not seeing it…

https://forum.warthunder.com/search?expanded=true&q=Silly%20%40FlyingDoctor%20order%3Alatest

Then you should maybe not be commenting in such a manner.

[DESPAIR7991]

Manner? Funny.

I’m not going to start polemics with you, that’s pointless, explaining something several times pointless. So leave me and this thread alone please.

You are just spamming and flagging everything you don’t agree. So again - leave me and this thread alone.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@ULQ_LOVER

AI AAA and bigger maps only makes the problem appear less not fix it for people wanting just to play tanks. We already talked about it.

Do we want to solve the issue or sweep it under the rug?

TO solves the issue by default as people who just want to play tanks could play it and in combined mode only people who like combined aspect of the game would remain. It would solve some issues with balance of the teams.

SBMM solves the issue of different players skill, meaning that it would be less likely that team would meet a pro who can destroy them without them being able to do much about It.

AI AAA would be either too good or to bad, meaning that it would either make people liking the air aspect of the game angry (as they would no longer be able to do what they see as fun/look at the helipad AA case) or too bad meaning people could just ignore It.

Bigger maps only make flight to the battlefield longer so people instead of dying in „x” time to planes would die in „1.2x” time. People who like air aspect of the game already don’t like it how long they need to fly in prop planes above 6.7 - so aleady an issue that doesn’t solve anything for people wanting to just plan tanks.

New objectives for air would only matter for people who don’t want to attack players and You have to remember that there would be limited number of them. Again the same case as with bigger maps/longer flight time.

You can always explain how what I have said would not be the case. I would love to discuss it.

So anyone wanting a discussion on topic instead of bloating and destroying another thread?

[FlyingDoctor]

I would discuss it, but as I’ve mentioned before, if you can’t take on board the points, there is no discussion, it’s just you dictating your demands for another mode or matchmaking to make a better game for yourself.

(Edit…)

[ULQ_LOVER]

Thanks for another comment not on topic, can we now have proper discussion?

[MotorolaCRO]

@FlyingDoctor

The want to paint something as the only solution, and to make out that there can’t be anything done other than dying is the negative mindset that plagues the players.

Having a solution that might take years to implement isn’t really a solution in my eyes. This goes for your “just add more AAs and change up the game mode”.

@FlyingDoctor

and anyone objecting is a risk to their getting it, not that they haven’t tried for nigh on 7 years…

It’s good to note how even after those 7 years we still have gaping holes in AA lines and our modes haven’t changed much to alleviate the issue.

[FlyingDoctor]

Again guys, I really would discuss, but you manipulate what’s said, ignore the points, and dogpile like nothing else resulting in new posters the likes of Hudler and Despair making snide comments on the back of your constant beration…

I’m sorry, but they think you’ve owned me, so the point is well proven here.

Your want for a mode, of 7 years, is borne from a victim stance, and is a fixated one at that that ignores the game expanding and having counters added over time… Just because you got got doesn’t make the person a bad person, you just got got… Please stop feeding players the excuses they need to keep that crutch firmly seated, because it makes it harder for the rest of us to actually try and explain something because they just want to be pandered to.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@FlyingDoctor

I really would discuss

So You can always do it:

@ULQ_LOVER

AI AAA and bigger maps only makes the problem appear less not fix it for people wanting just to play tanks. We already talked about it.

Do we want to solve the issue or sweep it under the rug?

TO solves the issue by default as people who just want to play tanks could play it and in combined mode only people who like combined aspect of the game would remain. It would solve some issues with balance of the teams.

SBMM solves the issue of different players skill, meaning that it would be less likely that team would meet a pro who can destroy them without them being able to do much about It.

AI AAA would be either too good or to bad, meaning that it would either make people liking the air aspect of the game angry (as they would no longer be able to do what they see as fun/look at the helipad AA case) or too bad meaning people could just ignore It.

Bigger maps only make flight to the battlefield longer so people instead of dying in „x” time to planes would die in „1.2x” time. People who like air aspect of the game already don’t like it how long they need to fly in prop planes above 6.7 - so aleady an issue that doesn’t solve anything for people wanting to just plan tanks.

New objectives for air would only matter for people who don’t want to attack players and You have to remember that there would be limited number of them. Again the same case as with bigger maps/longer flight time.

You can always explain how what I have said would not be the case. I would love to discuss it.

[MotorolaCRO]

@FlyingDoctor

and is a fixated one at that that ignores the game expanding and having counters added over time…

Game should expand in a way where things and their counters are added at the same time, as a way to keep things balanced.

It’s been years since some things were added and we still don’t have a counter to them. You thinking this is fine is the worrying part.

This is why I think your “just ask for more AAs” argument looks good only in theory. People have demanded counters for years but guess what, plenty of those are still yet to come as Gaijin is busy adding things with higher profit margins.

[A_Larsen]

Skill-based matchmaking is a terrible idea. If I am very good, and my friend very bad, who would enjoy it when we played together in a squad? Keeping matchmaking ignorant of skill, makes matches dynamic and never play out quite the same, which is very good for the game. Sometimes it’s easy, other times hard. It’s okay like that.

I think it would be better to have some kind of indication of needed forces. Like the voice telling you when the enemy controls most of the capture points, a voice could announce when the enemy seems to be dominant in the air. That would increase the chance of SPAA spawning when they are needed, and reduce the frustration of ground players being repeatedly hammered by CAS. Also, SPAAs capable of actually responding to the air threat is sorely needed in the game.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@A_Larsen

Skill-based matchmaking is a terrible idea. If I am very good, and my friend very bad, who would enjoy it when we played together in a squad?

You mean it would work like in most PvP games with ranking?

Who would have guessed

@A_Larsen

I think it would be better to have some kind of indication of needed forces. Like the voice telling you when the enemy controls most of the capture points, a voice could announce when the enemy seems to be dominant in the air. That would increase the chance of SPAA spawning when they are needed, and reduce the frustration of ground players being repeatedly hammered by CAS. Also, SPAAs capable of actually responding to the air threat is sorely needed in the game.

Only if players cared about It, with SBMM it would be more likely

[A_Larsen]

I don’t see SBMM ever working. The possibility of one player thinking there might be even a small chance his struggles are caused by the group he plays with would ruin everything social about the game, in my opinion.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@A_Larsen

I don’t see SBMM ever working

It does work in other games, so why not here?

@A_Larsen

The possibility of one player thinking there might be even a small chance his struggles are caused by the group he plays with would ruin everything social about the game, in my opinion.

This is already the case

[A_Larsen]

Yeah, I think you are completely missing my points. Anyways, I think you’re wrong regarding SBMM.