When F-4’s weren’t loaded up with bombs they did pretty well in Vietnam
F-8 were excellent dogfighters and F-4’s weren’t that bad when not loaded up, the F-4E with agile eagle is pretty good
F-100D: with a 40 second turn time is not a turn fighter. I’ll stick to MiGs and Mirages, thank you.
F-8: haven’t gone down the naval line beyond the props.
F-5: I’ll go with the Thai one. Still decent.
F-18: nope. I got the Swedish one and regret it.
F-14: I don’t get how people think it’s a great turn fighter. I have a few American main friends, and I bully the F-14 with MiGs and Grippens.
F-16: I’ll give you that one.
As I said, I prefer the MiGs, Mirages, and Grippens: actual proper fighters.
F-100D wasnt awful the way I remember it, please don’t talk about “proper” fighters when most US fighters have IRL KDR dozens of times better than your MiG’s and Mirages and Gripens
When it was facing mig 21’s. It could sometimes win in a downward spiral. Other then that it’d get killed 9/10 times. I’d say its like the f1c vs an f14 type of situation.
I used the F-100 recently. I so enjoy the 9L spam, the constant R-3Rs from that premium MiG 21, and having all my bases stolen by F-104s.
Also, the only reason they have higher KD ratios is because America bullies weaker nations that cannot get access to modern fighters. I mean, so impressive, your F-15 that is fresh off the production line just sniped a MiG 21 that has been sitting and collecting dust (and sand) since 1968! Well done! Let’s see how well America will do against the likes of Russia and China. Oh wait, they refuse to fight. I mean, their recent war record kinda proves they cannot fight (begged for a truce in Korea, lost Vietnam, lost Afghanistan, lost in Cambodia, lost in Laos, barely able to fight the Somalian coast guard). But hey, maybe one day the US will actually fight someone that isn’t at least a century behind.
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F-15’s wiped MiG-29 and MiG-25’s, Iranian F-14’s cleared MiG-23 of similar timeframe as well as Mirages, F-16 downed tons of planes, and F-4’s were fighting MiG’s into the 80’s
Begging for a truce? They were so, so lucky they didn’t get nuked into oblivion (US had hundreds of nukes USSR only 20). Politics and total lack of public support thankfully got US soldiers out of Vietnam where military was winning a lot, same thing happened in Afghanistan where military was capable but politics stopped it. Idk what your going on about with the Somalian coast guard and other stuff but most of the time any issue is because US has to follow ROE and enemies do not.
It’s also convenient how you gloss over Iraq 1991 where mostly US wiped one of the largest armed forces in the world
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It really wasn’t that bad as the war progressed, the F-4’s got better at dealing with MiG and anyways most of the time even F-4’s that were doing escort carried bombs because they could run mixed a2a and a2g loads
F-4E shouldn’t have to suffer against IRIS-T SLM though
Yeah, they took out Iraqi forces with help from the rest of the world. America by themselves cannot defeat a second world nation with farmers as soldiers (Vietnam).
nearly 700,000 of the 970,000 troops in ODS were US, the aircraft and tanks and ground vehicles were overwhelmingly US
Vietnam wasnt even a solo war and like I said, militarily it was a lot of wins but it failed politically. I think your either just really dumb or ragebaiting
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Didn’t the US also sink most of the nations navy in like 9 hours by themselves?
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They would be dodgin whatever long range SAM there were at the time (and afterwards)
The small problem with the “era” argument is that SPAAs are ordered in BR by range mostly. Most manpads are also far more modern that 50s jets for example
However if we go by that “era” argument, then most long range SAMs from the 50s and 60s are also missing, and i don’t think planes would fare better
That being said, decompression should indeed come, IRIS-T SLM has no business being at the same BR as a Elde, Tan SAM or ITO
aka play SPAA every single game without exception, because your teammates wont
move 2 cm and get sniped across the map ?
pantsir is famously good at capping points and being stealthy, and has great gun depression which lets it shoot out barrels easily
for sure
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at the distance in your screenshot, even slight movements are gonna make the rocket miss.
you can kill a guy at 20km, but only if lead mode decides to work and the plane flies straight towards you.
your lock will be gone if he launches anything, even dumb missiles, this is bad even at close range.
and lead mode often misses easy shots on TWS, more than it did before.
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The answer that CAS main don’t like to hear because they keep saying that Pantsir can hit them from 20 km distance.
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Seeing so many responses, I would like to say that if we could lower the spawn points required for air superiority aircraft in GRB and increase interactions between aircraft, wouldn’t that indirectly protect ground teammates? Why must we focus on arguing over who eliminates whom?
no
because its the only issue that matters, and why people want a ground only gamemode
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My apologies, but why not? Could you please share your reasoning? I would like to hear your reasoning rather than just a “no.” War Thunder originally started with air combat modes, so if someone only wants to play tank-versus-tank battles, I would sincerely suggest trying World of Tanks instead.
I wonder too
What ur saying was valid before the update
And u arent switching lock so easily if u are on the radar screen
And it works even better at short distnace
Game or 2 later i shot down ef2k and f16 around 2-4km with the lead mode
Its sometimes over lead but still pretty relaible