Planes are actually flying tanks
~warrior412
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If he counts air on air kills as a part of the SPAA statistics, does that mean we should count ground on ground kills for why CAS is OP?
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Inventing fake quotes, SMH…you are only destroying your own credibility and hurting yourself by lying like this.
Now no one can believe anything you say when you’ll readily resort to lies.
It’s painfully apparent from quotes like this that you don’t understand why the analysis was as it was and why I said what I did.
For about the fourth or fifth time: the limitations of the data filtration are why it was necessary to count kills by aircraft versus losses of aircraft. Again:
That is why you cannot look from the angle you complain about with the data as it is…it’s amazing you still haven’t understood that.
It’s refreshing to see someone that’s finally awake here!
As with SPAA use, more people need to emulate you on reading Juicy…that skill has clearly fallen off.
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Pretty much every interaction with forum CAS haters ends up like this.
❎ Called nonsense because your logic is flawed
✅ Called nonsense because you disagree with them
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Lmao, as usual, you’re wrong:
I have premium active right now and for many years prior too…even before you began playing, haha
My posts are accurate and informed…and you know that. You had to resort to peddling nonsense because you had no real argument with what I’d actually said…and you know that too.
By stooping to hoaxes, you’ve destroyed your own credibility and now no one can/will ever trust your words. It’s very sad but you did it all to yourself.
Lmao, I already have a full work week
I still have time to deal with that, WT (gameplay and forums) and everything else that comes with everyday life (family, hobbies, etc) too. It’s actually a lot like RB GFs:
Some people can comprehend and handle all that is going on around them…some other people cannot.
I am too modest to say much more beyond that, but I appreciate your interest in me…wait for the biopic!
“freeloader” 😂
Spoiler
Active premium since before you even started playing WT and premiums in every tree too, lmfao
Also: learn how F2P games operate…elitism, especially misplaced as it was here, doesn’t do you any good.
Your levity is good…but humiliating yourself with nonsensical claims only worsens your credibility issues.
The real “crime” here was saying something they do not like and cannot argue with.
It’s not hard to understand how and why people who cannot even fashion an attempt at an argument end up outplayed and defeated. That’s just their fate, on the forums and in-game, I suppose.
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Okay Steven Crowder, we get it. Air to air kills are caused by SPAAs because SPAAs distracted the plane from another plane, that’s why they died and why the air to air kills are tied to SPAAs.
Obviously, you don’t get it.
Despite numerous detailed explanations, you still do not understand data filtration, why it matters and its importance in analyses like the one(s) you asked about. It appears wholly futile trying to explain any of it to you.
Loyalty to the truth and facts =/= delusion nor that a person is a “CAS main” or even “sticking together” with someone else…if two people both say “2+2 = 4” because that’s correct, are they ‘math mains’ because of it? C’mon, be serious!😂
Bloating the thread and resorting to violating the forum rules doesn’t help your case either. That just perpetuates the existent stereotype of CAS complainers…which is not a good look.
I wish I could help you out, but there’s little that can be done it seems…you haven’t grasped the lifesavers I’ve tossed to you.
Funny, because it’s all clear to everyone else that AIR to GROUND eliminations far exceed GROUND to AIR. You want to randomly add in air to air to pad the stats and act like it is equal. Newsflash boyo, it’s not. How many times have I asked you to read off the stats. Black and white, clear as crystal.
AIR VEHICLES take out MORE GROUND VEHICLES. Simple as that. It is so painfully obvious, but yet you keep adding in random statistics like accidents and air to air eliminations. YOU are the one misunderstanding the entire premise of everything, because YOU are so daft! You want to act like an intellectual and write out five pages of nonsense, BUT YOU REFUSE TO READ FOR FIVE SECONDS THE STATISTICS THAT SHOW THE AIR TO GROUND VS GROUND TO AIR.
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Alrighty…
No matter how passionate you might be about something, there’s always a kind and respectful way to put your thoughts into words. What happened in the last 5 to 10 messages (including the deleted ones) literally throws that into the bin.
Now, to avoid ending up with punishments and what not, it is highly advised to immediately cut any sort of offending behavior towards other users. Particularly, let’s avoid any use / variation of definitions related to people’s cognitive abilities.
As a sidenote, those who did do what we’ve just stated above did get punished, so let’s do ourselves a favor and avoid that.
Things can now proceed smoothly.
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That ignores the context and half of the equation, rendering your perception of it incorrect.
You have to take a macro view of the data, looking at the kills and costs (losses) of aircraft to understand their effectiveness, given how the data is (not) filtered to give direct answers about SPAAs’ effectiveness (which was the original goal given).
Once again:
The deadliness of animals and hunters aren’t judged by rifle kill counts for a very simple reason: animals do not use rifles!
It’s silly to try to judge the effectiveness of ground vehicles versus aircraft when most GVs aren’t even trying to target aircraft nor are they expected to. To review things in the manner you keep talking about, you would need a strict tally of SPAAs’ portion…and even that has its own flaws and limitations (non-AA SPAA use could skew the data set).
To understand data properly, you have to understand its context, its setup (a la filtering) and its limitations. Without that, flawed analyses inevitably come about. You cannot simply compare dissimilar figures because you believe they show the same sort of tallies.
As mentioned before, I explored what the data said for other angles too and posted about it…but it was never possible to try the angle you asked about because the filtration isn’t there.
Humorously enough, I excluded accidents from the tallies of all vehicles and stated as much. That you are apparently unaware of that tidbit, small as it is, is telling.
I can only say you had best reread what I wrote…you are greatly mistaken about what was said and why. That is hindering all of what follows…
I write out thorough posts and they hold up…that’s just my style and I stick with it. There’s no act, just facts.
Some people might call that being an intellectual, but I’m too modest to strut.
out of all CAS defenders, you shouldnt be saying this
ive never seen one sentence about CAS that was logical
for the sake of both your own time, this debate will never achieve anything
Yeah he did not bring them up but he was the one that argued the most using those stats and his weird interpretation of them.
Its arguably the most broken combination in the game? Being able to spawn 2 Fully Loaded CAS aircraft with 400SP is insane, especially when certain CAS aircraft can easily overwhelm and overpower even the new AA systems. Thats the only real overpowered thing the drone can do.
Yes and no. USSR has the Kh-38MT/ML, and I don’t really ever see Mixed battles in GRB (if ever), meaning CAS is heavily skewed towards them. Furthermore not everyone can spawn CAS, as you need to research the air tree or heli-tree (not everyone wants to grind for hundreds of hours for something in a game mode they dislike / grind the obnoxious amount of RP needed to get and spade a helicopter) or get 750SP to spawn a UCAV, where you can only kill one or two tanks before j’ing out or spending the rest of the match flying back to the airfield and back. Whereas if you’re in a BR that has recon drones, you likely own or have the capability to research a light vehicle with the feature. You also likely have an SPAA, HE-VT or an autocannon (w/ or w/o IRST). So I wouldn’t say its applicable to aircraft in this case.
Should probably say that I do not hate CAS, I use the JAS39C as a CAS/CAP aircraft in a fair amount of my matches.
*every interaction ever in these forums. There’s like 5 people total acting in good faith, the rest is insults or bad logic.
Probably because others also argued using those very old stats with their interpretations against him? They saying not to use that old data when they are also using that old data 💀That old stats talk needs to be dropped if that’s the case.
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“Fighter Jockeys”
I don’t particularly care about CAS not being able to do anything. Even better then. CAP shouldn’t spawn with ground belts or any ground attack ordnance, air target belts and air-to-air missiles. That’s all they should get and all they should do, clear the skies and leave the tank killing to ground players. I fly CAP in my British lineup because British SPAA are subpar compared to their counterparts in other nations and its just far, far more effective to fly CAP. Nothing pleases me more than to shoot an SU-30 out of the sky the moment it spawns as I patrol the enemy team’s air spawn in my Gripen.
¬Hunter
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Just playing the Gripen or XF-2A in a pure CAP role is enjoyable. I love both Ground and Air, so being able to shut down (mainly Russian) CAS after playing a MBT or IFV is enjoyable.
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“Why do I have to take the plane in GROUND MODE?”
This is roughly the answer you will hear from TO fans.
If people show up with unclomplete lineups thats their decision and problem.
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I can grab a plane.
Play only that single plane.
After I hit research limit to a point I no longer find suitable for my blood, I grab a new plane 2 ranks above.
Repeat until end of the line.
Never once in the plane flying career was I forced to grind boats or tanks.
Why can’t the same be true for planes?
In fact, even if I care to fly planes - what if I prefer flying my planes in different game modes?
What if I prefer Ground RB but only know to fly air arcade?
What if I want to play ground SB but I cannot because of the lineup system forcing me to play on specific days, so I play ground RB but I’d rather not fly planes without SB controls and cockpit view?
Why must I fly a plane? Planes are massively different to tanks, require an entirely different mindset and I dare say, entirely different mission and map design to be fun.
Flying a Boom & Zoom high-speed aircraft in ground-RB is painful. Mustangs are a lot of fun on a 64x64 and 128x128 kmxkm maps. And not just map size, but mission length. At most 25 minutes, more like 12 vs dedicated game mode that can be up to 3 hours but averages 1.5.
They’re almost useless in a 8x8km sand pit.
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