- spaa are often used in arcade, where they actually have a chance to shoot down the planes
- Many countries have HUGE gaps in their spaa trees - Japan and France are good examples
- The ww2 spaas (using cannons and no radar) are at a huge disadvantage vs the CAS they encounter - doubly so when uptiered, which happens 3/4 of the time
- Some (many?) players just want tank vs tank battles. Why not give them that option?
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They also have a chance to shoot down planes in GRB
That is true, those gaps in vehicles are the reason these nations are “minor nations”.
People just suck using them. Just stop staying in spawn or shooting at planes which are way too far away to hit.
And in the range around 8.0-10.0 SPAA is way stronger than CAS, with exceptions. But we tend to forget that i guess.
Because it’s another mode which will split the playerbase and increase waiting times.
WW2 does not encompass BR 8.0-10.
And at BR 8.0+ spaa still face CAS that can outrange them. The Veak 40 at 7.7 uses canons that are outranged by the 2km ATGMs that many CAS can be equipped with.
Your “reasoning” that they ‘suck’ is a baseless argument. It adds nothing to the discussion.
As for the splitting aspect…
- there are a LOT of players in the game at any moment. If you have to wait an extra 30 seconds to get in a battle, the extra wait time is a small price to pay for players to get in a mode they are comfortable with.
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And if matches actually last the full length of 25 minutes, or at least 20 - then 30 seconds of waiting is nothing in playtime:waiting relation.
I’d much rather wait an extra 30 seconds to get an experience I enjoy throughout rather than one where I wait 30 seconds and within 3-5 minutes the skies turn into corsairs and yaks and hellcats making respawning in slow and heavy things or unagile light things suicide.
30 seconds for 3-5 minutes of fun is a much, much worse ratio than 60 seconds for 20 minutes of fun.
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Japan as a “minor nation”. Interesting…
Still does not address my point.
Anyone playing Japan rank V vehicles has to rely on an early rank IV spaa. And for France - same - playing rank V garage and they need to rely on rank IV vehicle (THAT ONLY HAS GUN ELEVATION OF 50 deg).
Not reasonable IMHO.
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Even though Japan does lack a Rank V SPAA, Type 99 SPH does a very good job dealing with CAS very reliably. But yes, it sucks to use the 5.3 SPAA at 7.3 line up. This is where Thailand comes into play though once Thailand ground gets introduced as a sub tree in Japan TT. Soon though, its a coming. They have the SPAA needed for Rank V+
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If you can’t deal with gaps in vehicle lineups, don’t play minor nations, it’s that easy.
No they are not
Lol, CAS haters can stand the idea of som1 not suffering to CAS.
The thing is for many players (as we can see on forum) the issue is that in PvP game one player is able to kill them while they can’t do anything about it.
They can ask for nerfs, changes in SP/spawns but in the end the problem will remain and changed made are going to always make some people unhappy.
In order to really improve the gameplay for everyone (both the ones liking the combined aspect of the game and ones who don’t), the best solution would be just another gamemode.
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You can do things about it.
You’ve not asked for anything but your prized mode, and when it’s even suggested, you deny any option to do anything but your mode.
Again, just your opinion. Nothing more.
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And matter of fact, things have been done to make it better…
SP gain and SP discount on planes was reduced for certain situations with scouting, the spawn for the planes isn’t as ‘spammable’ as now everyone has to check if it’s an air spawn or a field spawn.
There are others as well, but those are the main prominent changes that do make an effect on what these threats can do.
Another is the added SPAA which also adds in multi-vehicle play, which I hope will bring in datalink and such for other additions.
Not when You are already in a tank.
If You had really read what I’m saying, You would find out that it is not true.
And again, all this changes doesn’t solve the issue of a player who is already in a tank and facing an air unit.
As long as people don’t have a place to just play tanks, nothing will get really better.
We already had time when SPAA was seen as „better than air” to just have new planes/weapons been added later and change things. That is just a cicle that doesn’t change anything in long run.
So, a few other options: get rid of the air strike mod. Increase SP cost to a flat 1200 for any plane with atg ordinance (Dumb bombs/Rockets) 1800 for guided weapons, 1100 for a2a missiles, and 1000 for no equipment. Also no more then 3 at a time as to not over whelm spaa.
This keeps planes in the game mode and keeps them somewhat limited to players that do good / limiting them.
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ah, they added a setting to ignore the airfield spawn in bad weather btw if you didn’t know.
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Barricading yourself doesn’t make your answer any more based.
So when I say about it, it can’t be a thing, but when others say, it can?
I’m perplexed as to this ‘conditioning’… (Not really, I know you just argue to argue)
They’ve not even been brought in for more than a few weeks, and right now I can say that it sure does make air a lot different.
You don’t want that change to be the thing though and you’re still only wanting your prized mode, and that’s called bias.
For you that is, the majority of us still play fine.
So you’re actually saying that the SPAA being added could have effect, but you’re already prejudicing it as not being enough because you want to go round and round as per usual.
Good to know.
GREAT discussion, 10 out of 10…
I actually like it a fair bit.
I also still think the air spawns should be placed a little further back to behind the air field even.
No one is barricading. That is just a situation that happens in the game.
Where have I said that You can’t have Your opinions? The only thing I do is point out how things are in game and show it.
If You could understand other people/players perspective, You would understand that again the changes doesn’t help them in any way. The problem still exists.
I’m still amazed that You refuse to understand that I use air a lot and do that quite well.
If You wanted to prove that You don’t really understand what other people write You have done good job.
The SPAA being added doesn’t change anything from a perspective of a player who just wants to play tanks.
Again, my comment was about that the current state of things already happened few times and the outcome was the same.
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No, you are… Constantly barricading yourself with scenarios that can’t be countered, and repeating the same thing over and over to argue, whilst making out that I argue.
You don’t have to spawn a tank all the time… You’re not limited to this one choice of vehicle that you constantly want to make out…
All those times that I’ve said about these options and you’ve been all ‘Oh no, that’s njot enough I need my mode!’…
The problem is just one that a minority face, and you making out they are represented in a greater instance is just you screaming ‘Won’t anyone think about the CHILDREN!’…
I know that you use air a lot, and I think you are a reason for these people gioving up so easily because no-one spawns SPAA because of the dreaded Yak 9, but one shot and it’s dealt with…
Again, refer to the top… I’ve argued with you on so many occasions that your mode isn’t the only solution, but you’ve ALWAYS come back with a ‘your mode or bust’ attitude.
Indeed… It won’t satisfy the aggrieved because they’ll keep letting that CAS boogyman live rent free in thier head, even if they aren’t dying to it…
Well, things have changed, so you need to reassess your stance on it as things ARE being done and ignoring that and keeping on at the old state, makes it clear you’re outdated.
That is scenario that happens in game. We can act like it doesn’t but it does and people have an issue with it thus it is being discussed.
But we are talking about scenario when someone is already in a tank or preffers pure tank gameplay.
You mean the options that doesn’t solve anything from a perspective of a person who just wants to play tanks and not die from something he can’t fight back?
Polls on the forum or anywhere showed that it really is not minority.
You know that SPAAs for Yak-9 are not a threat compared to other planes?
It is a solution for people who just want to play tanks and not face air.
Even game moderators tried to explain it to You.
Outdated? Maybe.
But from what I know, new SPAAs still can be dealt with and new air/weaponary surely will come and again change the tide. As I have said, circles.
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