Well, Air isn’t combined, so you’re missing that part of the point.
That’s what Air RB has…
Make the suggestion then… Add SPAA and tanks to the AI battles on the maps, and make it so it’s also combined…
Again, then it might shut down all you guys who produce that worn out ‘But Air RB’ argument… It’s so lame duck that you only say it to bolster your want for a tank only mode which isn’t coming…
I can only imagine the pain of a 10vs10 top tier jet match on ground rb sized air maps
I know it’s funny for players like you to bomb and launch missiles from 10 km away and get kills, but look whole situation, nobody wants to play after 1 death (i explained why) i just want equality, so ground players had something to defend themselves.
Also about “air battles was first mode in game” nonsense, i know what I’m playing this game about since then, i know what was first mode and i remember how 50 kg bombs could destroy even mouse, how rockets was annihilating everything. Because air was first, doesn’t means it should be everywhere and strongest, as i wrote before: I Just want balance.
If Gaijin gives us only ground mode, current ground battles will be like ships, you will know each other by names. I
understand gaijin won’t do it, because they don’t care and that’s why I’m not going to buy any vehicle in game, developers just don’t care what players like me want, so I’m not going to support them.
First of all, it’s my 2nd account i created 7 years ago.
2nd you talking like everything is as it should be. CAS is biggest problem and every normal person should admit, but you keep saying it’s how game works.
We are posting and talking about it so maybe Gaijin will do some positive changes.
And why you defending developers so furiously i don’t understand.
This is a debacle that will last till the heat death of the universe.
Doesn’t matter, it’s what’s visible in the first place… Doesn’t change the basis of what I said…
CAS is the biggest problem for you, and you can’t say that every normal person would agree with you because no-body will ever agree on everything.
This is the most common ‘problem’ posted on the forum, hence the situation that so many threads are suggested when they are created, and so many threads get closed redirecting them to the existing ones.
What’s the developers got to do with this thread, as the issue I see is a player one. Not every issue that you find is up to be ‘fixed’ or the ‘fault’ of the developers… Not every response you get is ‘defending’ the developers…
I’d just appreciate it if people would actually get past their death in a PvP game, where something is a part of the game.
It doesn’t need to change, just because you died to it… There can be actual solutions put forth other than the time-old ‘tank only’ peddling that’s done by a certain few…
Maybe you need to be a bit more aware of the room rather than just saying we’re shills for not agreeing with you.
Hence why I mentioned the portion ‘players like you’ and the ‘normal’ throwouts… Both of these are just mere labels, and any disagreement with you, will make you angered because you have no regard for anyone who DARES to object, hence the labelistic nature of your statements.
Now CAS is my problem right? You said here’s many posts about CAS so it’s not only my problem. If players posting this often, means many of us have problems with CAS right?
What’s wrong with your logic bro?
I don’t mind if plane or helicopter gets me of guard, but it shouldn’t be balanced, that’s what I’m talking about.
And you still acting like everything is okay, like everything works like it should be.
You wrote “answer” about everything i wrote except one: why are defending Gaijin so furiously???
If you’ve got a suggestion to make, then make it… Additions are the way forward, not hand-holding and segregation to aid the afflicted.
It’s not that hard to figure out an SPAA to add, or another system to actually make the planes not want to bomb you… It’s not that hard to be honest.
That’s your interpretation, but it doesn’t mean you’re correct.
I did actually answer that…
So yea, maybe stop being so upset and aggrieved and read your own thread.
That’s the point, if a game is truly combined arms, then all modes should be just that.
If it’s not, then all military branches should be given a way to play alone, so gatekeeping just one from having just that because “combined arms game” is a moot argument.
Things can change, just like some maps in GRB got huge areas blocked off by invisible force that’s red zone.
Again, some equality should be present in the game. Air and Ground are two similarly sized branches and should have same opportunities.
Also, being so hostile towards a new mode which won’t even affect your preferred mode is weird.
Maps don’t need to be as small as GRB ones.
You can incentivize people to come to a certain area by placing something impactful (like caps) there.
You’re telling us its not the developers problem so when we try put forth solutions ourselves you shoot us down like this. We try point out the imbalance and suggest alternatives we just get told to bring it to the devs. I just want to be able to play my favourite vehicles without having to revolve my gameplay around one or two players spamming CAS (note I’m not of the opinion that they’re abusing it) I don’t think a ground only mode is needed quite frankly, but something has got to change.
Can we please use reasonable and sensible arguments?
I absolutely loathe CAS, but your arguments about “add SPAA to Air RB/SB” just delegitimizes the position by association through its ridiculousness.
Let’s focus on actually sensible suggestions and criticisms such as:
Your insistance on “what if spaa in ARB/ASB hue hue” makes us look like fools who have zero clue about what we want and just trolls to be ignored.
Adding air caps to air rb is an awful idea.
They need to itemize sp costs. Have each bomb/missile/ect cost sp.
It’s just an example of how “combined” only applies to some and is used as a cheap way to negate people more options by adding a new mode.
This we can agree on.
I don’t agree with this.
CAS cost should go up but at the same time CAP cost shouldn’t go down. You might ask why ?
If you make CAP trivial to spawn this will be a perfect invitation for fighter jockeys to use GRB as a de-facto marker-less ARB with way less enemies in the air, giving them what they’ve been striving for but in a totally wrong mode lol.
Also, being able to research ground vehicles by doing this would be nothing but a spit to the face to people that actually play tanks.
In order to make this happen without making it a spawn camp fest you’ll need to add much more airfield across the map.
By making airfields be further away from the ground battlefield while significantly nerfing AAA, you’d basically make a really big area for fighter jockeys to abuse your newly added mechanics and literally hijack the mode, while being totally immune from both AI and player-controlled AAs.
Seeing how new maps are made I doubt they’ll suddenly learn how to make a map.
Your changes would benefit CAP pilots more than actual ground units.
Yeah sure everything is okay, everything is balanced. Everything works just fine and you are right. You enjoying playing CAS i get it. Pointless to explain further, you just don’t want to understand (or don’t understand)
I wrote everything in post and comments. Everyone understands there’s huge problem with CAS and guys like me want to change something. Bye!
There is no problem with CAS.
Whats problems we have
It doesn’t have to be caps, there’re other things that will make players linger around an area.
Some nations don’t have reasonable SPAA (britain has a 5.3 Bosvark up until 8.3 falcon) and thus can only rely on CAP to take down CAS.
Assuming CAS is allowed to continue to exist, these nations must either allow that single plane to sit in the air unopposed, hope the pilot is very dumb and flies low & slow for bosvark’s 1km range to kill them or suicides.
If they have CAP, they can go and kill that annoying bomber and go back to playing tanks at one player’s sacrifice.
However, that sacrifice is absolutely not worth it as it is right now because I don’t care for researching planes while playing GRB and I imagine most fighter pilots would agree.
As for “getting what you strive for in ARB”, I dunno but even with my changes to airfield design and such, I’d not enjoy flying planes in GRB at all. I’d at least not feel like trolling/griefing myself by wasting my time getting zero progress on my modifications/next tank.
Even with runways pushed back, the low-altitude/small Area of operations nature of GRB makes my preferences for high altitude dogfights unfulfilled.
The fact there are player spaa would attract attackers by default. They could engage spaa from even further out than in ground rb.
Fighters will ignore the area even with targets since they just want air kills.
You guys wouldn’t have so many problems with CAS if you used more cover. Js. Most people crying about CAS are sitting out of cover in the open. The only real issue with CAS is spawn killing, other than that I don’t have any issues with it 🤷🏿♀️