Yeah but money ? What a surprise , TO will never come , that simply the way it is. Also they need to give CAS or premium CAS perform it main role. They can’t just magically separate them because “the number of people complaining about CAS is only increasing”. Sorry but it doesn’t work like that , if you actually want change
Vote with your wallet
That all im gonna say or the actual way to fix CAS is minimize the effect of CAS to a certain extend by fixing the problem that directly linked to them. That a better way cause SPAA will be able to do their job better and contribute more to the match
CAS is insanely easy to get, but the one thing that CAS players will struggle with is weather conditions. If it’s clear weather, AGMs will be extremely lethal at long range, but if it’s a storm or low cloud cover, CAS aircraft normally have to get closer to use their weaponry effective. Another possible solution could be SPAAs designed for taking out munitions, like the C-RAM. CAS is both a horrible thing and a good thing, the issue is balancing it.
It’s never as simple as that and while premiums may get changed I have not heard of a single one becoming unable to be played. Furthermore when you consider the amount of SPAA that a player can talisman you realize it’s more than just the vision that keeps Gaijin from ever doing a TO mode.
I’ve played since 2013, not that it matters because anyone can uncover this by viewing old gameplay videos: War Thunder’s CAS problem goes back far and it’s had periods that were even worse than this. You used to be able to delete people with HVAR’s which had the one-hit splash range of a 1000-2000lb bomb, a single P-47 could wipe multiple people easily while facing manually aimed SPAA that required good shooting ability to use. Compared that to now where a plane with guided weapons or ballistic computer could be deleted by someone pointing and clicking with a Strela-10 or any number of systems.
There is no “back then”, bullpups used to totally dominate, nords same thing, SACLOS update destroyed the physics of those SPAA missiles so badly that CAS couldn’t even be threatened without another plane or heli/IR SAM, the drone update spawned attack drones in space and against SPAA that could do nothing but get farmed, the old age of heli’s where you literally had to face them using garbage gun SPAA.
People see now as a exception, the truth is it isn’t, it’s not even close to as bad as it’s been in the past. Heli’s are up BR’d heavily now, most of them being +1BR or more from where they were, drones got nerfed heavily, SPAA’s have ammoboxes to cope with having to engage so many targets, scout drones can be shot down more easily and pad SPAA scores(dat battle activity), introduction of more powerful SAM systems(multiple nations having the Osa+Strela-10, which covers most bases), IR/TV trackers for light tanks, powerful heli AAM’s such as the TY-90, mistral and AIM-9M.
You act like this issue is just top tier, from what I see it’s something that will exist as long as planes and helis can destroy tanks. You think the amount of people against CAS is going up but it’s more like it’s staying the same no matter how much it goes up because unlike before it’s not a universal consensus, which it pretty much was at various points and the reaction from Gaijin never was to remove CAS; so what makes you think they will now lol? There is zero indication in the past or present that Gaijin see’s this as an exception, they will do what they did before and at best nerf it somewhat. Judging by the new update teaser probably more like ‘buff’/add more SPAA.
its called ground battles for a reason
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The thing is that all this vehicles could still be used in combined mode.
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exactly. so keep the current gamemode unchanged, and simply add a tank only gamemode.
SPAAs and aircraft are already separated, because aircraft get a dedicated gamemode, while SPAAs only get to play mixed battles. so do the same for tanks
well to any gaijin employee reading this, i assure you i would spend MUCH more money if i played tank-only instead of mixed garbage
we are talking about adding a gamemode this whole time.
adding TO does not remove the current existing gamemode, and CAS can keep playing it.
the issue is gigantic at top tier, but i didnt say CAS isnt infuriating at any BR
hating CAS is relatively universal, and definitely one of the most universal things in war thunder for what thats worth.
i never suggested to remove CAS. again, just add another gamemode for tanks only.
aircraft have a gamemode, tanks should too.
isnt this so simple? nothing is being removed, nobody is being “harmed”, why do you see this as physically impossible?
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The only thing i agree here is: That there was times that where even more stupid, that most of theses times it was 1 or 2 broken vehicles or a mechanic that was fkt up for a few weeks. Not more.
They are working on ghetting the absurdly OP stuff out right now, but they are doing it in a way that is absurd… like the Ka-52 gets modules but the prem Ka-50 only months later? like wtf? Or how broken was the 2s38 or the obj 279? thats all not to long ago and they dont stop doing this sceme, so there is no change to this behaviour.
its shit and drives people of the game, or how do you explain the shitton of reports that address this and also the not increasing playerbase? Its not because its fun to get wiped from smt u cant do shit against. I would say this (any many more) is an issue that should be addressed. And one solution could be a tank only mode. but as i saied… why should they? nothing to sell there that cant be sold in the combined battles… and the argument that cas would lose worth… well tanks would gain it back so…
and about the “prem does not get changed so bad that u cant play the prem anymore” … if i buy a prem or even multiple to play a certain BR… and they change some of that in BR … u think thats fine? Well i really disagree… if i buy smt i have bought it in this excakt state. If the surrounding change, thats okay… but changing my F1 Car to F2 while i also bought 3 other F1 cars for the same race is bullshit. Changeing it to make it balanced, thats fine… but changing BR or even Rank… thats absolut assmove… and with talis… i buy a shit ton of them and also a shit ton of these tali vehicles got extremly changed in BR or even rank… one good example is the F9F… i have grinded with it… bought a tali for it cause i liked it… then they changed its rank one rank lower and did i got any compensation for it? no. Or the T20… was rank 3 on 5.3… not its rank 4 at 6.3… i build a whole prem deck with multiple vehicles around it… now i can only use a few of them anymore as they are not vialble at 6.3… there are bazillion examples for this and i dont think its fair or even consumer friendly at all. I wouldnt wonder if its even illegal and if u go in front of court they would have atleast a discussion about it, at least here in germany. As all u buy in a Video game is “geistiger eigentum” and changing it so u cant use it for the intendet purpose of the buyer, is generally illegal… how for u can go here idk… but i remember in WoW was smt similar in front of court and Blizzard lost back then and needed to refund.
But that dosnt matter… at the end its super consumer unfriendly how they handle it.
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+1 to additional tank only mode, make it a nice little check box under the battle mode selection - fanks
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bump
gaijin add tank-only gamemode it will take 5 minutes to do this and you know it
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Oof, that will require that CAS haters get good at the game first XD
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[quote=“FrankenFact, post:1251, topic:216490, full:true”]
Your opinion, which cannot be said of all players, thus a fallacy. Many players do not want to “enjoy” CAS, they want to fight ground vehicles only. I know: “Mind Exploded!”
Putting in a TO game would not harm the devs one bit. It may harm the players who like CAS as they will have less targets to shoot at, but there is always ARB or AAB they can play.
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this is one of the most trivial to disprove theories ever
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So you would have no issue with player controlled SPAA being added to the air gamemode, right? I mean surely this wouldn’t cause any issues since SPAA isn’t that good against planes… Which would mean they aren’t that good in ground… Hm…
As long as both team have an equal amount of SPAA and planes, I don’t see what the issue is.
its expected you wouldnt be able see what the issue is in a gamebreaking game change that exactly 0% of the playerbase would want or like.
thats the mentality you need to defend CAS
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You do realize that the bigger map size means everyone would be able to just ignore the SPAA if they want, right?
just play murica:
- you dont need to worry about planes
- you doont need to research spaa’s
So why should planes be able to be in a gamemode with such small maps?
Because the small maps make it harder to avoid SPAA. If SPAA were in ARB, everyone would have the option to ignore them cause the battlefield is hundreds of miles across, but in GRB, the battlefield is only 1 or 2 miles across.