CAS problem

[DESPAIR7991]

@O_Warrior0

Yeah, that’s the reality of war. Planes are supposed to hit hard, fast, and without warning.

And that’s problem for game. CAS has huge advantage and ground players don’t even get warned to hide (fighting back is impossible)

@O_Warrior0

If SPAA isn’t doing its job, it’s not about CAS — it’s about the player not doing their part. Good SPAA players can make life hell for air, and fast jets can’t just ignore them

CAS outranges you, can easily hide from your radar (just fly low) and if you launch missiles, all it takes to avoid is - do few maneuvers. Can see ground targets from 15-20 km away and send deadly missile, while no AA can reach it. I don’t understand what you mean when you say “good SPAA player”, there can’t be good SPAA player, only dumb CAS players who fly straight and are half blind.

@O_Warrior0

Hiding behind cover, using terrain — it’s smart, it’s tactical. It’s no different than ground players using hills and forests to ambush

You really don’t see difference?? Like seriously??
If helicopter hides behind hills, it is practically impossible to destroy from ground (AAs can’t hit behind cover, tanks obviously are useless). If tanks use cover it still can be countered with other tanks, everything depends on players skills and fast reactions. That’s difference.

@O_Warrior0

What’s the issue? If you earn the kills, you deserve the right to spawn a jet or heli

I mean people taking helis first spawn, i was talking about people who don’t use group vehicles in ground mode (yes i have seen many players doing it)

Playing “ground battles” without ground vehicles, best game disaign…

@O_Warrior0

No, they leave because they don’t want to deal with a bad situation. You can blame CAS, but when you’re spawn-camped by air and your team’s not helping with air defense, of course it’s frustrating.

If enemy team has CAS players with few braincells, it’s impossible to counter.

CAS outranges you, can easily hide from your radar (just fly low) and if you launch missiles, all it takes to avoid is - do few maneuvers. Can see ground targets from 15-20 km away and send deadly missile, while no AA can reach it.

So yeah, when i see killfeed full of enemy CAS wins, it’s over.

@O_Warrior0

In short: the problem isn’t CAS — it’s the inability of ground players to effectively counter it

That’s what I’m saying, current game CAS can’t be effectively countered because AAs are too weak, too boring to play and gives too low rewards. That’s why people leave after 1 death, spawning 2nd-3rd tank is pointless, you will get missiles/bombs from sky, spawning AA doesn’t works too, yes you can shoot down 1-2 braindead CAS players but there always will be 1 skilled CAS or tanks find you and you are dead. For results you have 10min lossed match, maximum 30k sl 5k RP(with prem acc) and 3-4 death (more death means less reward) while you could just leave after 3-4 minutes, get little low rewards but less negative and frustration from gameplay.

I choose 2nd variant (as many others)

[DESPAIR7991]

Yes, looked bad sides because big maps like Vietnam, Fulda and others are bad maps. Nobody likes it to play and i don’t want new maps like that. But yeah, i got your point.

[Maldrokk]

@サラトガ

cause removing them is not an option. Even tho I also wanted a TO mode , it is simply , not an option

Repeating that it’s not an option doesn’t make it true considering it is very well and option that Gaijin for whatever cannot see. CAS players would still buy their premium planes for ground strike in combined arms and TO would probably see a rise in ground vehicle purchases

[Maldrokk]

@O_Warrior0

freedom to experiment, adapt, and have fun

Me trying to experiment, adapt, and have fun in my ground only mode when i have to be put on babysitting duty because some troglodyte NEEDS to have his plane in grb. TO separated asap

[Maldrokk]

@ULQ_LOVER

TO mode is just a copy of current mode just without air units,

Come on ULQ man, they’re like a small indy company man, there’s no way they could flip a switch like normal players do in custom lobbies to have it be TO man. Don’t bully them man

[gangsterism]

@Maldrokk

Come on ULQ man, they’re like a small indy company man, there’s no way they could flip a switch like normal players do in custom lobbies to have it be TO man. Don’t bully them man

jeepers, think of the manhours required to go through the grueling process of adding one text entry into a file and clicking a button to globally add an actual playable gamemode.
gaijin has a family !!

[ULQ_LOVER]

After dying.

That is not a solution

[FrankenFact]

Yeah this is why the lowest BR the laserbombers can go is like 10.3 or something, they also are usually not too hard to take down with IR SPAA either. I think early helicopters and guided weapons are harder to counter than what you see at top tier.

[FrankenFact]

@DESPAIR7991

I choose 2nd variant (as many others)

Yeah I’m sure you’d know a lot about CAS and SPAA considering you just leave the game instead of trying to counter it lol.

@O_Warrior0

You can blame CAS, but when you’re spawn-camped by air and your team’s not helping with air defense, of course it’s frustrating. But the real issue is the lack of team coordination. The problem isn’t that CAS is OP — it’s that your team is failing to respond properly. If air is dominating, it’s because your team is failing to do their part. So, don’t blame CAS — blame the lack of proper counters and team coordination. It’s not CAS ruining the game, it’s a lack of effort from your team.

The fact people struggle with this boggles the mind even more when you consider the guy who steps in to correct the situation by spawning SPAA or whatever usually is the guy who profits the most and often CAS players will become complacent or overly ambitious when allowed to run free.

[MotorolaCRO]

@O_Warrior0

In short: the problem isn’t CAS — it’s the inability of ground players to effectively counter it.

So it’s now my fault because AAs I have are being outranged by CAS. This is beyond hilarious.

[DESPAIR7991]

@FrankenFact

Yeah I’m sure you’d know a lot about CAS and SPAA considering you just leave the game instead of trying to counter it lol.

O_Warrior0:

current game CAS can’t be effectively countered because AAs are too weak, too boring to play and gives too low rewards. That’s why people leave after 1 death, spawning 2nd-3rd tank is pointless, you will get missiles/bombs from sky, spawning AA doesn’t works too, yes you can shoot down 1-2 braindead CAS players but there always will be 1 skilled CAS or tanks find you and you are dead. For results you have 10min lossed match, maximum 30k sl 5k RP(with prem acc) and 3-4 death (more death means less reward) while you could just leave after 3-4 minutes, get little low rewards but less negative and frustration from gameplay.

[FrankenFact]

@MotorolaCRO

So it’s now my fault because AAs I have are being outranged by CAS. This is beyond hilarious.

The range of top tier SPAA is high enough to significantly reduce the power of CAS, if you struggle with being killed at such ranges your doing it wrong. Going to guess you probably sit in spawn staring at the plane doing it until the missile hits 20 seconds later right?

@DESPAIR7991

current game CAS can’t be effectively countered because AAs are too weak, too boring to play and gives too low rewards. That’s why people leave after 1 death, spawning 2nd-3rd tank is pointless, you will get missiles/bombs from sky, spawning AA doesn’t works too, yes you can shoot down 1-2 braindead CAS players but there always will be 1 skilled CAS or tanks find you and you are dead. For results you have 10min lossed match, maximum 30k sl 5k RP(with prem acc) and 3-4 death (more death means less reward) while you could just leave after 3-4 minutes, get little low rewards but less negative and frustration from gameplay.

-Professional opinion of someone who leaves before any of this happens lol.

1 more thing, staying in the match usually a skill bonus if you aren’t just being farmers food and spawning MBT’s while 6 planes are overhead.

Skill Bonus Levels and RP Increase:

• Level I: 3-5 kills, 15% bonus RP.
• Level II: 6-8 kills, 50% bonus RP.
• Level III: 9+ kills, 100% bonus RP.

The battle achievements alone are often more than SL repair costs, which also are tiny as the SL rewards in GRB.

[MotorolaCRO]

@FrankenFact

The range of top tier SPAA is high enough to significantly reduce the power of CAS

I’m not talking just about top tier.

@FrankenFact

Going to guess you probably sit in spawn staring at the plane doing it until the missile hits 20 seconds later right?

No, I move a lot in my buses on our extremely small maps, fighting tanks and aircraft at the same time.

[gangsterism]

@FrankenFact

The range of top tier SPAA is high enough to significantly reduce the power of CAS

its still underpowered and some maps favor CAS over SPAA

[Fragal]

+1 to an additional Ground only mode, let me play my tanks without fear of being nuked from orbit within the first few minutes - fanks

[Sytryse]

Many people ask “Tank Only” mode and the answer from Gaijin is adding more CAS instead.

[MotorolaCRO]

No Fun Allowed.

[gangsterism]

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[Sytryse]

You compare deadly disease in real life versus game and nobody would laugh with that.

[gangsterism]

you die to CAS and only then you take SPAA. its an accurate comparison. im not asking anybody to laugh at it.