I agree in that matter cas is often a problem, i am just saying to not call out the Mi 24 when their is way worse cas options that are a bigger problem. Besides that it is hypocritical naming the german MI 24, when russia has kind of 3 flavors of it at 9.7 and everyone else has to deal with that somehow as well, stinger missles sure as hell dont reach that either
Yes of course it’s an issue for anyone facing the USSR, only Germany and Italy have SPAA of an equal BR so without them people are pretty much stuffed.
The game desperately needs more SPAA but that’s a whole other ball game.
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one thing is DECAS (destruction of enemy close air support), another is SECAS (suppression of enemy close air support). (counterparts to DEAD and SEAD). so even if you cant kill the heli, you can keep him away by spray fire
I do not understand where u get that weird idea from that only equivalent br spaas are good enough for the job. You are aware that the ground performance plays into the br rating as well or the relevant br increasement is completly irrelevant. the 9.7 Gepard you are naming is a 8.3 Gepard the only differences are 4 stinger missles which cant reach a helicopter either, the 1.4 br increase is way to much. But a lot nations have ways to deal with a mi 24
US: M247 BR 9.0 Proxy Ammo, this one propably is the strongest to deal with helicopters
Gepard copys are available in
Ger
Britain
Sweden
Those are all i am sure are able to deal with the needed range, i am not sure enough about the other nations. The 9.7 options you named do nothing in that situation because stinger equivalent cant lock and reach them in the first place
you do know that M247 proxy rounds explodes at 3.5km and can be easily avoided by mi-24 right? And gepards are like nothing for the mi-24s
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ok fair enough with the proxy rounds still they are able to reach it with the other rounds
Still doesnt change the fact that calling out italy and german 9.7 spaas are irrelavant in this situation because cannonwise they are only 8.3 as well
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For my taste rocket pods and rockets in general became too deadly. The op effect should be scaled down again. Especially open toped and unarmored vehicles are lost when it doesn’t even hit close. On the other hands ATGMs Saclos guidance has been nerfed too much. ATGMs like shturm or HOT are extremly hard to control now, like the way the bounce around your aiming axis makes hits impossible at range.
Then you have rocket pods which kill everything instantly, even most modern MBTs. Thats probabyl why early helis rushes are that common. Spamming some rockets on vehicles leaving the enemy spawn at match start always gets you alot kills.
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Only skill issue here is the guy that gets shot down by cannon SPAA in his 9.7 heli. You can play with SPAAs even in 8.3 helis, let alone in Mi-24.
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Consider that SPAAs have to deal with 4km range missiles at 8.0, little shits in their mi4s can pretty much just hover in place until planes come in to clean up the scum.
You could put mi4 to 10.0 and it would still only have to worry about other aircraft, it would affect it’s efficiency though as falangas are quite slow and most 10.0 ground vehicles are very fast.
There is no real solution to the helicopter issue. Would have been great if they were never even added to the damn game but since the big oopsie has already been committed, the only thing that could be done is nerfing the missiles available to various helicopters
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Mi-24s only have 10x optical zoom to use ATGMs, maybe if you’re a giga-sweat with a 60in monitor with your face applied to the screen and on an open map like Sands of Sinai you might be able to reliably use the full range of Shturms.
idk about shooting one down with Oerlikon cannons tho, maybe on IRST platforms like the ZA-35 and PGZ09. Pretty much the Sergeant York/Bjork and other proxy fuse ammo are the only real threats to consider
You don’t even need to use all of that 5km range to evade most SPAAs at <9.7.
As you said, only possible threat should be US/Sweden SPAA, against everything else you should be in total control.
First, it’s a skill issue, second, please check the TT, you can find very good VT missiles at your BR.
Honestly, its my first time to see someone complain that MI24P is OP LOL
If the only counter to CAS is to spawn planes then GRB needs to allow first spawning of planes to allow intercept.
I’m not claiming the Mi-24 is overpowered, never did.
What do you mean by VT missile? SACLOS ATGM’s? I was playing 8.7 USSR, so my options were somewhat limited.
It does ,again skill issue, you literaly can use a biplane only with air ammo belts to take out a heli, u dont need fancy missles as a result the spawn costs are low. If you arent even able to spawn a biplane, just get good
And of course the biggest crybaby of the forums complains about the easiest part
Well, you have 9P149 Shturm-S, which has 9M220O (ATGM-VT)
This does not counter high tier CAS
“easiest part”?
You can not currently first spawn planes. If your counter is that other planes should be used to balance CAS then they should be allowed to intercept so they can be preventative as that is what SPAA currently can not do.
you cant first spawn atgm helicopters either, which is the discussed problem here, in that case yes just skill issue, rocket pod helis can easily be taken out by any spaa or even roof mounted mgs