Canada Tree copy and paste number:
Rank 1
5
Rank 2
10
Rank 3
7
Rank 4
3
Rank 5
2
Rank 6
1
Rank 7
1
Total
29
Number of thing intotal
Rank 1
28
Rank 2
37
Rank 3
18
Rank 4
16
Rank 5
23
Rank 6
14
Rank 7
5
Total
141
Without C&P
112
C&P percentage
19%
(note Canadian flagged things aren’t marked)
So there is a total of 141 things here, out of the number there are 29 copy and paste, 19% of this suggestion. Rounding down by things that should be in other trees there are about ~100 unique vehicles give or take.
And the those are? As most of the US and UK stuff are heavy and post-WW2 mediums.
All the the WW2 trucks are CMP(Canadian military pattern), also I see you skipped the LAVs which are domestic vehicles built in Ontario.
Ah, yes because another nation used it makes it not domestic even those the makers also used it in numbers.
And I guess the Jumbo is C&P then? The Grizzly is still a Canadian-built tank.
And where do you see a Kangaroos on this suggestion?
That also isn’t on this tree and was only brought up later. It also has a turreted .303 Bren Light Machin Gun that can perform the AA role.
Are you talking about the 2-pdr one? (which is another domestic vehicle) or the post-war M113 one that someone was trying to make a suggestion to alow it to be added?
Only if you look at MBTs, Heavys and most WW2 mediums. Which it sounds like you are doing.
And I see you skipped the Ram, CMP and LAV families as I pointed out earlier all of which have about 10 things each give or take. Also other one-offs like the Bobcat 105(or its older brother the XA-100) and all of the post-war trucks/cars which about half would be unique to Canada.
Why are you asking me? I’m not the one that made the tree.
However you are incorrect, the 2A6M CAN that Canada currently has is ex-dutch 2A6s. The 20 German 2A6s were borrowed from Germany and returned when Canada bought the Dutch ones. It’s in the story here and elsewhere I found it.
The dutch 2A6s went to Germany because Canada specifically wanted mine protection, which those didn’t have. They also got used to the 2A6Ms already and wanted to keep them. The 2A6NLs went on to become 2A7s.
maybe but nothing I found states that. just “Canada had bought 20 Dutch 2A6s that allowed the return of the German 2A6Ms”
I do recall seeing stories that the Dutch 2A6s were used to pay off the other leos but I found nothing looking into this for an answer and instead claims that the Dutch 2A6s were converted into the 2A6M CANs.
Yea, that’s what I’m saying. Canadian forces wanted to keep the german 2A6Ms but since they were only leased, they had to return other tanks. The solution was to buy 2A6NLs and give those to Germany. The 2A6Ms were turned into 2A6M CANs and the 2A6NLs into 2A7s.
I could also blame y’all (not just you, so don’t take this personally) for doing only a cursory level of research but I’ll spare both myself and you, and besides I’d rather avoid spreading the concept of tribalism more than it already has on this forum since it does nobody no good.
The problem is, after like 3 websites(one of them being the 2A6M CAN suggestion) and the Squid Wiki, all that shows up are model-making websites when googling the 2A6M CAN. So said “cursory level of research” as all that really exists on the web.
I don’t see why it would be ‘too much’ to fit into a TT. The only real hang up I can see is that the UI isn’t built for it, but saying that ‘the UI can’t handle it’ feels like a silly reason to say no to additional subtrees and TT lines.
People look this post without trying to really look at the tree, say “meh” and then complain that the tree is not big enough or too much c&p while it have enough to be a good tree
Here are the rough guidelines I followed, in order of importance:
Included:
Made in Canada, used in Canada
Made in Canada, trialed in Canada
Made in Canada from license, used in Canada
Made elsewhere, used exclusively in Canada, not presently in-game
Made in Canada, trialed elsewhere
Made in Canada, used elsewhere
Made elsewhere, used in Canada, presently in-game
Modified in Canada from elsewhere, trialed in Canada
Not included:
Impromtu field mods
Made elsewhere, trialed in Canada
Open top M150, M38A1, CMP 15cwt, or Iltis missile carriers
Variety Guidelines:
Avoid unnecessary duplications, beyond adding necessary depth to a lineup.
Lineups with depth at roughly 1.3, 2.3, 4.0, 5.3, 6.3, 7.7, 8.0, 8.7, 9.0, 10.0, 11.0
Prioritize vehicles not present in-game
Prefer lineup variety, vehicles should serve a fairly unique role in lineups (exception being the Rams)
Balanced towards wheeled vehicles, like Italy in-game
Despite a large contingent being based on the LAV, the weapon systems, optics, and LAV generations are varied. A good number of those systems are built in Canada, but operated by Saudi Arabia. I thought this was acceptable for variety’s sake, as the LAV is the Canadian APC.
The CMP was leaned on for SPAA, as Canada motorized various light AA elements on this platform; 20mm in multiple arrangements, and 40mm. There was even an armoured cab quadruple Bren arrangement referenced on MIKAN, but I could not find photos.
